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Consciousness in Cavemen? A Debate.

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Quote From: Mickiel
However, the " Law of Entrophy" states that closed systems go from a state of High Energy to low energy and from Order to Disorder. Thus, all closed systems, including our universe, disintegrate over time as they decay to a lower order of avialible energy and organization. Entrophy always increases and never decreases in a closed system. All scientific observations confirm everything continues to move towards a greater state of decay and disorder.
Because the avialible energy is being used up and there is no source of new energy, the Universe couldnot have always existed, it would now be uniform in temperature, suffering what is known as " Heat Death." Heat Death occurs when the universe has reached a state of maximum entrophy. It is a Fact that one day our Sun and all Stars in the Universe will burn out. Electromagnetic radiation will disappear and all matter will lose its vibrational energy. Because the stars cannot burn forever and because they are still currently burning, they couldnot have always existed because they would have burned out by now. Solid proof of one time creation!
Now some feel we have an open system universe, I disagree with that. A closed system is defined as a system in which neither matter nor energy can be exchanged with its surroundings. Matter and energy cannot enter or escape from a closed system. It has boundaries that cannot be crossed. So it is with Gods Creation of humanity, its a closed creation, and it does not have evolution which would allow humanity to cross over into a new or improved species which could evolve further from the rest.

OK again you have no clue and must be getting your information regarding Entropy (not Entrophy, my God man at least yearn how to spell or use spell check) from a non Scientific source or at worst don’t understand or have not studied enough about it to understand the concept completely Here is where you are wrong! That’s what you get for quote mining from a site (or your pastor) without understand the concept completely!

Entropy & The Second Law of Thermodynamics
One way of stating the second law of thermodynamics is:
In any closed system, the entropy of the system will either remain constant or increase.
One way to view this is that adding heat to a system causes the molecules and atoms to speed up. It may be possible (though tricky) to reverse the process in a closed system (i.e. without drawing any energy from or releasing energy somewhere else) to reach the initial state, but you can never get the entire system "less energetic" than it started ... the energy just doesn't have anyplace to go.
Misconceptions about Entropy
This view of the second law of thermodynamics is very popular, and it has been misused. Some argue that the second law of thermodynamics means that a system can never become more orderly. Not true. It just means that in order to become more orderly (for entropy to decrease), you must transfer energy from somewhere outside the system, such as when a pregnant woman draws energy from food to cause the fertilized egg to become a complete baby, completely in line with the second line's provisions.

I could point out more of your errors, both grammatical and factual. But you can see them for yourself if you choose to! Oh but I can’t resist, gee I guess the devil made me do it “reasonabl, plantes, Entrophy, avialible, couldnot and my favorite vibrational”
LOL man
 
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JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Mick:
Oh and if you don't want to take the Astronomy class at least take an English or learn now to use spell check at least! Sometimes your post are hard to understand just because of your spelling!! Gee

Who said this: mispellers of the word untie! I love it!
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Mick:
By the way my comments were not quote mined or copied from some other site. They came from my formal education and my own research and knowledge of Astronomy. It's a very interesting field of study for someone with an open mind and common sense and a thirst for the "how it was made" not the who made it. Every time I walk outside at night and see the stars and planets I am amazed at the creation of the universe and all it's wonders. God put it there for us to learn from it. I don't think there could be a cooler or grander job to to than exploring the universe via astronomy and science, not supersition and unscientific books of the dead.

"the Bible tells us how to go to heaven, science tells us how the heavens go". :yes:
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Hey congrats! Your spelling is getting better man! No joke. Hey I like that a little humor "yearn to tell the truth". I do tell the truth my friend! I learned the 10 commandments and the golden rule a long time ago and follow them. Unlike some so called "belivers" I've met in my life. That remark is not aimed at you my friend, just based on past experience with Bible thumpers that think their way is the only way and that think they are better than everyone else, just because they call themselves Christians! With those kind of folks I have a great deal fo experience, not to mention distrust and dislike. As I said believe in God, not the book written by man!

Just think how many lives could be saved and hatred eliminated if all men put their religious difference aside and left each to his own! You end your comments with Peace. Think about how much peace we would have if people put their difference aside? Wow didn't Jesus say somethng along thse lines?

peace brother!
 
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JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Mick,

Here is a link to a page on Wiki that has a number of links to other info. Oh and don't let the name of the link fool you!
Stellar evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The word "evolution" has nothing in the slightest to do with Darwin! It's short for the life cycles of stars.

Please take a look at this link, read it and if you don't understand any of it let me know I'll be happy to help you. Man Science can be so cool when you stop thinking of it as evil and as against God! Some of what it states on Wiki is a little deep and technical, but you should be able to get the drift of it. I think you're a smart guy, but you just have some big misconceptions about science. It's not science's place to defend or disprove God and that's where you are very wrong! No one can do that. Science goal is to understand the "how" things occur not the "who did it".
I was once very much in Love with a Christian lady. We were headed out to dinner one evening, drive West and looking a a very pretty sunset. We both said "oh wow look at that how pretty!" Stupid me I say "you know what makes all the pretty colors, remember the volcano ....the dust up high in the atmosphere". She turned to me and replied "God made it that way! Isn't that enough?" I just agreed with her, all the time thinking " I didn't say anything about who made it. I only talked about how and why it was so pretty". Do you get my point? If everyone had that kind of attitude we would still be riding camels around in the desert and know nothing about science. Maybe that would be better who knows, but not me!
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
Hey congrats! Your spelling is getting better man! No joke. Hey I like that a little humor "yearn to tell the truth". I do tell the truth my friend! I learned the 10 commandments and the golden rule a long time ago and follow them. Unlike some so called "belivers" I've met in my life. That remark is not aimed at you my friend, just based on past experience with Bible thumpers that think their way is the only way and that think they are better than everyone else, just because they call themselves Christians! With those kind of folks I have a great deal fo experience, not to mention distrust and dislike. As I said believe in God, not the book written by man!

Just think how many lives could be saved and hatred eliminated if all men put their religious difference aside and left each to his own! You end your comments with Peace. Think about how much peace we would have if people put their difference aside? Wow didn't Jesus say somethng along thse lines?

peace brother!


I agree, Peace to you also.
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
So Mick do you understand a bit more about the things now and see how science can be interesting and explain a lot about the why and how of our world and our solar system? Pretty cool stuff HUH. The truth is out there! But you have to look in more than one place (book) to find it.

Live long and prosper! Mr. Spock
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
So Mick do you understand a bit more about the things now and see how science can be interesting and explain a lot about the why and how of our world and our solar system? Pretty cool stuff HUH. The truth is out there! But you have to look in more than one place (book) to find it.

Live long and prosper! Mr. Spock


I already know how interesting and helpful science is, I am not against science and have NEVER called science evil. I am interested in science, and more than one book. My main intrest however, is God. That is my main influence, other than the Darkness.

Peace.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I already know how interesting and helpful science is, I am not against science and have NEVER called science evil. I am interested in science, and more than one book. My main intrest however, is God. That is my main influence, other than the Darkness.

Then do you accept that every human carries genetic mutations yet?
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
No I do not accept that, because I do not know it to be true.

Peace.

Why is that? because your pastor told you so or because you can''t understand what people have been trying to tell you or is it because you cannot accept the concept that the Bible is NOT 100% true word for word the words of God, but rather the words of MEN? Or lastly do you not know it to be true because you refuse to read and attempt to understand in information that has been presented to you here?

Based on my later response to your lack of knowledge shown to be true of Astronomy in your comment about the Big Bang, can you now understand the fact that there was not just ONE creation event (short of the big bang) and that stars and planets and galaxies are still being born, even today, and many stars and planets have come and gone before ours was born and many done so since! Period Science fact and very provable with testable evidence! So forget about the 6 days thing. Had our star been created shortly after the big bang NO Iron, no blood no people, not even an earth to put them on, real simple stuff!

Worship God, not the book. The book was written by men, and no man in perfect!
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
Why is that? because your pastor told you so or because you can''t understand what people have been trying to tell you or is it because you cannot accept the concept that the Bible is NOT 100% true word for word the words of God, but rather the words of MEN? Or lastly do you not know it to be true because you refuse to read and attempt to understand in information that has been presented to you here?

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I have no Pastor, people are not my teacher, I already know and accept that the bible is not 100% accurate, and the information I read here is insufficent to my mind and reason.

My mind is my teacher, and it is sufficent enough for me.

Peace.
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
I have no Pastor, people are not my teacher, I already know and accept that the bible is not 100% accurate, and the information I read here is insufficent to my mind and reason.

My mind is my teacher, and it is sufficent enough for me.

Peace.
That's just another way of saying you know it all or better yet you know more than everyone else and refuse to listen to reason. the information I read here is insufficent to my mind and reason. What the hell does that mean? Sounds like the old I'm better than you are defense, somehow superior! Or better yet "I don't like what you're saying because I don't agree with it".
 

mickiel

Well-Known Member
That's just another way of saying you know it all or better yet you know more than everyone else and refuse to listen to reason. the information I read here is insufficent to my mind and reason. What the hell does that mean? Sounds like the old I'm better than you are defense, somehow superior! Or better yet "I don't like what you're saying because I don't agree with it".


Then why do you keep talking to me? If you think these insulting things about me, why waste your time?

If I thought of you, as you think of me, I certainly wouldnot be bothered.
Peace.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
No I do not accept that, because I do not know it to be true.

Verywell, here are the sources again:

"Every person has three billion 'letters' of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) that make up the human genome. A mutation occurs when one of these letters changes. The international team co-ordinated by Dr Chris Tyler-Smith, have found that the mutation rate is one mutation in every 15 to 30 million letters per generation, which means each person has 100-200 new mutations in their DNA."
Source: BioNews - Scientists calculate mutation rate in human genome

"No process is 100% accurate. Even the most highly skilled typist will introduce errors when copying a manuscript. So it is with DNA replication. Like a conscientious typist, the cell does proofread the accuracy of its copy. But, even so, errors slip through.
It has been estimated that in humans and other mammals, uncorrected errors (= mutations) occur at the rate of about 1 in every 50 million (5 x 107) nucleotides added to the chain. (Not bad — I wish that I could type so accurately.) But with 6 x 109 base pairs in a human cell, that mean that each new cell contains some 120 new mutations."

Source: Mutations

"The more closely related two people are, the more similar their genomes. Scientists estimate that the genomes of non-related people—any two people plucked at random off the street—differ at about 1 in every 1,200 to 1,500 DNA bases, or "letters." Whether that's a little or a lot of variation depends on your perspective. There are more than three million differences between your genome and anyone else's. On the other hand, we are all 99.9 percent the same, DNA-wise. (By contrast, we are only about 99 percent the same as our closest relatives, chimpanzees.)
...
When a mutation occurs in a sex cell—a sperm or an egg—it can be passed along to the next generation of people. Your genome contains about 100 "new" mutations—changes that occurred as your parents' bodies made the egg and sperm cells that became you. These genome variations are uniquely yours. Other variations in your genome arose many generations ago and have been passed down from parent to child over the years, until they ended up in you. You probably share each one of these older variations with many other people all over the world, but still, no one else has the exact same combination of variations that you have."

Source: What's a Genome?

This is a well-documented, established, scientific fact. If you do not accept it, you are denying reality.
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Oh now you can read my mind too! You know how I think of you. You are superior! :bow:
All I have done is comment on a bizare and unimformed comment you made about astronomy and your bad spelling and you took that as an insult? WOW. If I had wanted to insult you I would have done so. I've read how you have commented to some of the folks post on here. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You've hurled so pretty good insults yourself. But fine no more talking to you, unless you try and use some inaccurate remark about astronomy to prove a point, in that case I may comment.
I find some of the things I read here to be very interesting and informative.
 
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