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contradictions in the bible???
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NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
I personally never understood the obsession some show with trying to make jesus the Pesachal lamb. The two have nothing in common.
The Pesachal lamb was killed according to halacha in the front yard by the head of household, the blood was put on the door posts, the lamb was roasted and completely eaten by the family. All this was done to protect the first born son.
Jesus was tortured, then crucified, then buried. First, he couldn't be a Pesachal lamb because he's human, he wasn't killed, roasted and eaten. Even if we acknowledge the claim his blood was used to save it's not the same because the Pesachal lamb wasn't even a sin offering.
The Pesachal lamb was killed according to halacha in the front yard by the head of household, the blood was put on the door posts, the lamb was roasted and completely eaten by the family. All this was done to protect the first born son.
Jesus was tortured, then crucified, then buried. First, he couldn't be a Pesachal lamb because he's human, he wasn't killed, roasted and eaten. Even if we acknowledge the claim his blood was used to save it's not the same because the Pesachal lamb wasn't even a sin offering.
Smoke
Done here.
Which might lead one to believe that the author of the fourth gospel wasn't Jewish.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
So I'm sure that now that uss realizes that the Bible contains at least one clear contradiction--that is, how Judas died--he is now planning to deconvert, right? That was the point of this thread, wasn't it?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
I thought there might be a bunch more Jews around here... but I guess they mostly hang around the Judaism forum....
I'm glad I could help.
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Any more thoughts regarding what I've come to know as the Sign of Jonah fiasco?
Or is it fair to say that's over and done with?
It seems from time to time Christians will bring up the Sign of Jonah to attack the Pharisees.... but they won't really understand that in itself, it is a false prophecy.
Or is it fair to say that's over and done with?
It seems from time to time Christians will bring up the Sign of Jonah to attack the Pharisees.... but they won't really understand that in itself, it is a false prophecy.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Generally there are few Jews here. This place has not always been a welcome place for Jews. There are one or two who check into the Judaism section maybe once a month and there is one who's around a lot but gets very indignant and mean when anyone asks a question about Judaism. LOL!
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The New Testament refers to Jesus as the lamb slain from the foundation of this world. That's probably why Christians believe He is.
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
As for the designation as the "paschal" lamb... that has to do with the fact that John kinda indicates (but not really) that Jesus was killed the same time the passover lamb was supposed to be killed... which brings us right back to the sign of jonah fiasco.
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
As the new guy, I'd like to see if the first thread I took part in can last a couple more pages...
There's plenty of good stuff to talk about...
The mangled matthew genealogy of Jesus (say that five times fast)
The Sign of Jonah fiasco
Was the last supper a Passover Seder? (The feast of unleavened bread)
I'm sure I could very well just go ahead and start new threads about these things... but this is a fantastic little thread where all of them can just come together.
Good times.
There's plenty of good stuff to talk about...
The mangled matthew genealogy of Jesus (say that five times fast)
The Sign of Jonah fiasco
Was the last supper a Passover Seder? (The feast of unleavened bread)
I'm sure I could very well just go ahead and start new threads about these things... but this is a fantastic little thread where all of them can just come together.
Good times.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
Are these supposed to be contradictions in the Bible?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Indeed.
The Matthew genealogy is filled with at least 10 contradictions in itself that I can think of (there are probably more that others can think of.)
The Sign of Jonah contradicts every instance which says Jesus will rise on the third day, and of course it contradicts the four gospels' account of his death and resurrection.
Three of the four gospels make it clear that the last supper was a passover seder. John makes it seem like Jesus was killed hours before Passover.
Would you like to tackle all 13 of these at once, or would you prefer to work one at a time?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
This particular concept being the source for so much contradiction is yet another contradiction. According to the "New Testament", Jesus is supposed to be perfect.... yet this sign of jonah is false prophecy.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
No...sorry... just curious.
I don't read the Bible as a history book.... do you read the entire OT as literal history?
Scripture, to a Catholic, is polyvalent.... for instance, Matt 1:23: do you know what the name "Emmanuel" means?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
That's kinda irrelevant. This thread here is about contradictions. I'm pointing out textual inconsistencies.
Yes. It means "God is with us"
It also happens to be a name Matthew 1:23 says is supposed to be given to Jesus... but it's not. Nobody calls him that... and only verses later, his father names him "Jesus".
For what it's worth... the name Emmanuel is used only once throughout the entire "New Testament"... and that is in Matthew 1:23.
Did you care at all to discuss the contradictions I had already pointed out, or did you have something else in mind?
Scott1
Well-Known Member
No... thank you.... like I said... we just read scripture differently... like the "Emmanuel" verse, for instance.
Peace be with you,
Scott
Did God tell Moses that killing was wrong? That depends upon which book you read.
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
The 6th commandment is do not murder, not do not kill. Do not kill is an incorrect translation. Murder means to kill without just cause, against the law. Killing in circumstances such as self-defense, punishment for crime, war, and such are not sins. The punishment for sin
Wow with this type of logic I doubt you'll convert anyone with an ounce of intellect
into any christian religion. Is this any different than any historical dictator or conqueror who makes his own law which usually allows his people to massacre a group of people for loot or any reason he can think of to justify the massacre? Annihilating
the people of Jericho,and saying it was God's will,is nothing but genocide,and using God as an excuse to kill for pure gain is NOT God's law!
Many countries have abolished capital punishment,fought for by lowly humans,so it
must stand to reason that humans have a higher capacity for sympathy and empathy
than the Jewish OT God ? So declaring war on a country and decimating them is fine?
George Bush will rest easier knowing that.
Changing the word kill to murder is a typical "christian" ploy to twist the bible to fit
their own needs or outlook,it has been done for centuries.
There is no law that can encompass every situation that has cropped up. Each case must be examined individually. Proven self defense or the defense of a person in danger is NOT murder. Sentencing someone to death for theft or adultery would be a law written by a maniac.
It's about time some of you people started thinking for yourselves and not take a book that
has been mistranslated, edited,whole pages ripped out and re-written too seriously.
God created this universe and everything in it,and He gave us a brain to use and to distinguish
the truth from falsehood,so use it,and again stop trying to embellish the passages in the bible that
you agree with and then twist the meaning of passages that do not conform to your ideals so that they will. This is such an ugly human trait,as it obscures the truth and causes confusion. Politicians ,corporations,religions use this tactic constantly.
STOP BEING SUCH FOOLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
The 6th commandment is do not murder, not do not kill. Do not kill is an incorrect translation. Murder means to kill without just cause, against the law. Killing in circumstances such as self-defense, punishment for crime, war, and such are not sins. The punishment for sin
Wow with this type of logic I doubt you'll convert anyone with an ounce of intellect
into any christian religion. Is this any different than any historical dictator or conqueror who makes his own law which usually allows his people to massacre a group of people for loot or any reason he can think of to justify the massacre? Annihilating
the people of Jericho,and saying it was God's will,is nothing but genocide,and using God as an excuse to kill for pure gain is NOT God's law!
Many countries have abolished capital punishment,fought for by lowly humans,so it
must stand to reason that humans have a higher capacity for sympathy and empathy
than the Jewish OT God ? So declaring war on a country and decimating them is fine?
George Bush will rest easier knowing that.
Changing the word kill to murder is a typical "christian" ploy to twist the bible to fit
their own needs or outlook,it has been done for centuries.
There is no law that can encompass every situation that has cropped up. Each case must be examined individually. Proven self defense or the defense of a person in danger is NOT murder. Sentencing someone to death for theft or adultery would be a law written by a maniac.
It's about time some of you people started thinking for yourselves and not take a book that
has been mistranslated, edited,whole pages ripped out and re-written too seriously.
God created this universe and everything in it,and He gave us a brain to use and to distinguish
the truth from falsehood,so use it,and again stop trying to embellish the passages in the bible that
you agree with and then twist the meaning of passages that do not conform to your ideals so that they will. This is such an ugly human trait,as it obscures the truth and causes confusion. Politicians ,corporations,religions use this tactic constantly.
STOP BEING SUCH FOOLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
One of my favorites is when Stephen in the Book of Acts (7th), being under the influence of the holy ghost, misquoted the Tanach and stated 75 people took Joseph to his burial tomb when it was only 70 people. And also forgot where Abraham's tomb was by stating it was up in Shechem when it is down in Hebron. How could the holy spirit mess it up? Does G-d forget things?
But not to give the christians the business without pointing out inconsistencies within my own scriptures; there are books in the Tanach that recite the counting of David's army. These are recited in other books as well and the numbers do not match up in both books.
But not to give the christians the business without pointing out inconsistencies within my own scriptures; there are books in the Tanach that recite the counting of David's army. These are recited in other books as well and the numbers do not match up in both books.