Convince me that the world isn't overpopulated

[Drunk_Uncle_Bob]

Alexandra Paul has always been wonderful at explaining how this is a problem.
And it's not a matter of space. The spaces are borderless. The problem is resources, since so many lands are unproductive and 8 billion people is an unsustainable number.
And besides that, world overpopulation has been causing nothing but social inequalities and maldistribution of wealth.

And the shocking thing is that when I was born, world population was 4 billion.
Now it has doubled. It has reached 8 billion, and I am still young. Almost all of my former classmates are childless.
And they have no intention of making babies. Not only because of the uncertainty of the future...but because they don't want kids that will have to live in a nightmarish, overpopulated world.
I also advise people that being child-free is better, and they yell at me, telling I am wrong. Since the West is the one which is going through a birth rates collapse, and that it's other continents which should decrease their birth rates.
But the truth is that the future kids will have to face overwhelming immigration, and the discomfort of an overpopulated world.
So...we should think of their future.


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Birth rates

The only way to decrease birth rates is to bring less developed countries up and give them clear and unfettered access to birth control. All of those countries in the red still use up less resources than most countries in blue.

 

[Estro Felino]

The EU has 448,400,000 inhabitants.

How many children were born in the EU in 2021? - Eurostat

DDN-20230309-1

ec.europa.eu

How many births in 2021? 4,09 million.
Too many births. Considering the wars threatening Europe, massive immigration that will overwhelm these future citizens.

 

[Estro Felino]

@Little Dragon
I would like to know your stance about this topic.
Since you spoke of Gaza's birth rates.

 

[Little Dragon]

@Little Dragon
I would like to know your stance about this topic.
Since you spoke of Gaza's birth rates.

Overall, the world population is set to plateau and then decline. All other things being equal.

So in basic principle, I would say no, the world is not worryingly overpopulated, as it is now and for the forseeable future.

Also, if an argument against overpopulation is based on a lack of resources and living space, for all. I would say, those issues are resolvable and can be solved if the will is there.

Hope that helps!

 

[Estro Felino]

Overall, the world population is set to plateau and then decline.

Unfortunately before that happens, the world population will have reached 11 billion.
We have run out of time.

So in basic principle, I would say no, the world is not worryingly overpopulated, as it is now and for the forseeable future.

It's not a problem of space. It's a problem of resources.
We cannot cut off all the trees. We will run out of oxygen.
But at the same time we need more and more wood, and arable lands.

Also, if an argument against overpopulation is based on a lack of resources and living space, for all. I would say, those issues are resolvable and can be solved if the will is there.

Hope that helps!

Unfortunately not. Because we produce food through mechanized agriculture and electricity is what will run out sooner or later because fuels will run out sooner or later.

I would investigate the Freudian aspect of all this.
There is a humanity that doesn't want to grow spiritually. They have sex with people they don't love, they make children, and then they divorce their partners.
A very squalid life for their kids, if you think about it.

My generation is made up of childless millennials who are children of divorced parents who suffered the most horrific traumas, and so they decide to be child-free not to make their own children live the inferno they have lived as a child.

 

[Little Dragon]

Because we produce food through mechanized agriculture and electricity is what will run out sooner or later because fuels will run out sooner or later.

Nuclear power and renewables will be around for a very long time.
Fusion power will be the optimal solution to every energy issue we face going forward, a technology that is improving every year.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nuclear power and renewables will be around for a very long time.
Fusion power will be the optimal solution to every energy issue we face going forward, a technology that is improving every year.

What do you think of the sexual aspect of all this?

The birth rates are so high in certain countries because they want to make many children?
Or because of lack of contraception?

 

[Little Dragon]

What do you think of the sexual aspect of all this?

The birth rates are so high in certain countries because they want to make many children?
Or because of lack of contraception?

In animal populations, there is a definite bias to having more offspring when the rate of infant mortality rate is high. This is nature's way of balancing, the population. Compensating for the loss.

Humans are not much different. In poor underinvested war torn crappy places, infant mortality is high. So, more women fall pregnant, more often.
It's just the way it is.

 

[Estro Felino]

In animal populations, there is a definite bias to having more offspring when the rate of infant mortality rate is high. This is nature's way of balancing, the population. Compensating for the loss.

Humans are not much different. In poor underinvested war torn crappy places, infant mortality is high. So, more women fall pregnant, more often.
It's just the way it is.

So they deliberately make many many children, are you saying?

 

[Valjean]

Overall, the world population is set to plateau and then decline. All other things being equal.

So in basic principle, I would say no, the world is not worryingly overpopulated, as it is now and for the forseeable future.

Also, if an argument against overpopulation is based on a lack of resources and living space, for all. I would say, those issues are resolvable and can be solved if the will is there.

Hope that helps!

I'd add that destruction of natural habitat is also a grave danger.

 

[RestlessSoul]

So, we should all move to the Isle of Wight? Isn't it kind of cold and drizzly there most of the time?

The I.O.W. has the best weather in the UK...



...Which basically means the drizzle isn't as cold there, as elsewhere in the British isles.

 

[Little Dragon]

The I.O.W. has the best weather in the UK...



...Which basically means the drizzle isn't as cold there, as elsewhere in the British isles.

Scotland's weather makes England look like Barbados.

 

[Valjean]

Scotland's weather makes England look like Barbados.

So why do they wear short skirts rather than warm trousers?

 

[Little Dragon]

So why do they wear short skirts rather than warm trousers?

We're not sure...

 

[Estro Felino]

Wow...dozens of people here and nobody has even tried to convince me that the world isn't overpopulated.

 

[Kfox]

Alexandra Paul has always been wonderful at explaining how this is a problem.
And it's not a matter of space. The spaces are borderless. The problem is resources, since so many lands are unproductive and 8 billion people is an unsustainable number.
And besides that, world overpopulation has been causing nothing but social inequalities and maldistribution of wealth.

And the shocking thing is that when I was born, world population was 4 billion.
Now it has doubled. It has reached 8 billion, and I am still young. Almost all of my former classmates are childless.
And they have no intention of making babies. Not only because of the uncertainty of the future...but because they don't want kids that will have to live in a nightmarish, overpopulated world.
I also advise people that being child-free is better, and they yell at me, telling I am wrong. Since the West is the one which is going through a birth rates collapse, and that it's other continents which should decrease their birth rates.
But the truth is that the future kids will have to face overwhelming immigration, and the discomfort of an overpopulated world.
So...we should think of their future.


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Birth rates

People are living better lives today than ever before! Why do you have a problem with the world becoming more populated?

 

[Kfox]

Wow...dozens of people here and nobody has even tried to convince me that the world isn't overpopulated.

Over populated by what standard?

 

[Viker]

Just look at any globe, map of the world or picture of earth from space. Make a little dot with a paint brush on that picture. All the people of world could fit in the little dot, maybe not comfortably but they could all fit. Just some perspective.

 

[Estro Felino]

Over populated by what standard?

By the standards of resources, employment, fuels, economy.

Nobody has brought a valid argument yet.
With all due respect, neither will you.

 

[Estro Felino]

Just look at any globe, map of the world or picture of earth from space. Make a little dot with a paint brush on that picture. All the people of world could fit in the little dot, maybe not comfortably but they could all fit. Just some perspective.

In any post, from the OP onward, I have underlined it is a matter of resources.
Not space.
Too few resources.
If you eliminate all trees to make wood or paper...we all will die because the oxygen produced by plants is not enough