Cop murders 12 year old boy

[Skwim]

No one stated they demanded ID,

Then why the following comment.

"The cop didn't have legal authority to demand an ID,"

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If it this isn't to be taken as an assertion then you may just as well have said the cops ate spaghetti for lunch for all its relevance to the discussion. But we know better.

I'm saying they didn't even have the legal authority to do that much, let alone approach with guns drawn and demand he put his hands in the air.

Nah. You meant exactly what you said.

Allowing anyone, not just police, to justify a killing because of "perceived self defense" is giving people a license to kill indiscriminately.

BIG Clue here: killing in self defense happens to qualify as discriminatory.

If there was no actual threat how can we prove there was or wasn't a perception of danger.

Maybe we can't, but that's up to others to decide; those with the authority, and no doubt better information than we have. But up until to then we don't run around with a noose in our hands. Well sane people, anyway.

it's not illegal to open carry a gun in Ohio.

It is if you're under 18.

 

[Skwim]

Why? Was it illegal to walk around with a gun?

If you're under 18 it is.

Did they see him waving it at people? No, they got a call that "probably a juvenile" playing in the park with "probably a fake gun". So some cop thought he was Rambo and some kid lost his life for it and the cop gets a paid vacation.

I know it's more convenient to purposely misread stuff, but because it's so apparent, you're only making a fool of yourself. Your choice of course.

 

[oldbadger]

Very much so. If someone wants to put out gun toys then make them obviously toys. The very plastic looking "old west" cap guns, or the brightly colored Nerf type things. Since when has having a toy gun so realistic as to be mistaken for the real thing ever been a good idea?

The boy:-

The gun:

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm waiting for somebody to say he provoked it and brought it on himself. Just give it a few minutes.

In a sense he did. He had removed the yellow tip that indicates that it's a fake gun, and he was pointing it at people. That's why there was a call to the police. It wasn't just an officer passing by, but a call that a boy was pointing a gun at people. It seems like no one else knew it was fake either. The caller guessed it was, but he didn't know.

The only problem in the story is that the boy never pointed the gun at the police, so they were not really under threat even if had been a real gun. It's easy to say that they overreacted, but we have to remember that these officers are actually human beings with the same fears and stress as we would have under the same situation.

My view, this culture of elevating law enforcement into the position of judge, jury, and executioner has got to stop. They do not have to accountable for their actions. And with the increase in militarization of PD's around the country, my opinion of our country acting more like a police state is confirmed.

They are accountable for their actions. It's under investigation.

 

[Ouroboros]

Why? Was it illegal to walk around with a gun? Did they see him waving it at people?

Yes.

“There is a guy with a pistol,” the caller said. “It’s probably fake, but he’s pointing it at everybody.”

I think "pointing it at everybody" can be translated to "waving it at people". It means basically the same thing.

No, they got a call that "probably a juvenile" playing in the park with "probably a fake gun". So some cop thought he was Rambo and some kid lost his life for it and the cop gets a paid vacation.

He might have overreacted, but I have a friend who is a cop, and he's a super-decent, reasonable guy, with a huge heart for people and helping, but he tells me that it's one of the scariest things to have a gun pointed at you. You react to defend your life in that moment without thinking about who it is on the other end. All rational thoughts are gone. Only action is left. So it's easy for us to read these things and judge, sitting in our comfy couch, drinking a cup of coffee.

 

[Ouroboros]

Very much so. If someone wants to put out gun toys then make them obviously toys.

This gun has a yellow tip to indicate it being a non-lethal gun (it's an airsoft gun, actually shoot 6mm pellets), but someone (probably the kid) had removed the tip. Which is probably illegal to do in itself.

The very plastic looking "old west" cap guns, or the brightly colored Nerf type things. Since when has having a toy gun so realistic as to be mistaken for the real thing ever been a good idea?

True. Instead of making them black or metallic, make them colorful. That makes it harder to remove. But I'm certain some kids will paint them black to make them look real. That's how kids play. They want to play with the real things, pretend, but real.

 

[Ouroboros]

KID!!! not person but a kid!

Sure. It was a kid... who did something terribly stupid. He acted gansta' with real police. Not very smart. It's like jumping from a 200 feet cliff and think you can fly.

 

[psychoslice]

If anyone points a gun at me I'll shot first and ask questions later, in my case, once bitten twice shy.

 

[Jainarayan]

The only problem in the story is that the boy never pointed the gun at the police, so they were not really under threat even if had been a real gun.

Deadly force in defense of a third party, the civilians, is justifiable.

 

[dawny0826]

I'm waiting for somebody to say he provoked it and brought it on himself. Just give it a few minutes.

My view, this culture of elevating law enforcement into the position of judge, jury, and executioner has got to stop. They do not have to accountable for their actions. And with the increase in militarization of PD's around the country, my opinion of our country acting more like a police state is confirmed.

Stories like this enrage me.

Tamir was someone's baby. I'm deeply sad for his family and for his community.

I have to say yes - Tamir was greatly responsible for provoking this situation. He was playing with an air gun that was a replica of the real thing. He was waving it around and pointing it at others. It worried others enough to report it to police who have an obligation to protect the public.When he was asked to raise his hands, he didn't listen and reached for the gun.

I'm not sure what I would have done as a cop. I can't imagine what goes through your mind when you think someone might be pulling a gun on you and possibly others.

You've stated that these cops are not accountable to their actions, yet, how do you know that they won't be disciplined? They're both on administrative leave and there is more than one investigation underway.

As for the increase in militarization, not every US community resembles the next. There's been more than one story within the law few years of cops being shot and killed while in the line of duty, here within my community. It's not Ferguson here.

 

[Skwim]

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[lewisnotmiller]

True. Instead of making them black or metallic, make them colorful. That makes it harder to remove. But I'm certain some kids will paint them black to make them look real. That's how kids play. They want to play with the real things, pretend, but real.

Yeah, agreed. Nerf guns are perfect examples of colorful and unrealistic, but there are plenty of people taking them from this...

to this...

 

[Sleeppy]

We've got the technology to create weapons and other deterrents which don't produce results like this.. But, what are the chances these people will give up their guns? Not surprised. It'll only get worse.

 

[psychoslice]

So if I paint my gun all colours, and point it at a cop, then he shouldn't shot me, lol.

 

[Draka]

Real gun:

Toy gun:

And people wonder why we have gun issues in this country. This is insane.

 

[psychoslice]

The problem is that people let their emotions over ride logic, of course its sad that a young boy is shot dead, but you have to take a look at the bigger picture, or become a cop and find out for yourself.

 

[averageJOE]

Why? Was it illegal to walk around with a gun? Did they see him waving it at people? No, they got a call that "probably a juvenile" playing in the park with "probably a fake gun". So some cop thought he was Rambo and some kid lost his life for it and the cop gets a paid vacation.

Except the cops did NOT get a call saying "probably a juvenile" playing in the park with "probably a fake gun". That's what the 911 caller told the dispatch. The cops were responding to "a male threatening with a gun" from the dispatch. Your anger should be aimed at the dispatch for for not giving the cops the information provided by the caller.

 

[Iti oj]

In a sense he did. He had removed the yellow tip that indicates that it's a fake gun, and he was pointing it at people. That's why there was a call to the police. It wasn't just an officer passing by, but a call that a boy was pointing a gun at people. It seems like no one else knew it was fake either. The caller guessed it was, but he didn't know.

The only problem in the story is that the boy never pointed the gun at the police, so they were not really under threat even if had been a real gun. It's easy to say that they overreacted, but we have to remember that these officers are actually human beings with the same fears and stress as we would have under the same situation.


They are accountable for their actions. It's under investigation.

Except the cops did NOT get a call saying "probably a juvenile" playing in the park with "probably a fake gun". That's what the 911 caller told the dispatch. The cops were responding to "a male threatening with a gun" from the dispatch. Your anger should be aimed at the dispatch for for not giving the cops the information provided by the caller.

good point. Yet shouldn't visually seeing a 12 year old serve much the same purpose?

 

[Draka]

The problem is that people let their emotions over ride logic, of course its sad that a young boy is shot dead, but you have to take a look at the bigger picture, or become a cop and find out for yourself.

Or, you just take a pic of the gun, show it to someone who is a cop or use to be one and ask them "what would you do if this was being pulled on you?" The answer you'll get..."double tap".

 

[averageJOE]

good point. Yet shouldn't visually seeing a 12 year old serve much the same purpose?

Are 12 year old kids incapable of firing a pistol? Remember, the cops had no idea at all the gun was "probably fake", not even the age of the male.