Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[Rick O'Shez]

I know that in a recent article released by I believe NASA that their dark matter images taken mention that it appears to look identical to the same neuron patterns of the human brain.

I think we need to be cautious about anthropomorphising on questions like this.

 

[Lighthouse]

I think we need to be cautious about anthropomorphising on questions like this.

Of course, just stating the striking resemblance.

Really look forward to the release of that new Webb scope.

 

[Lighthouse]

Again, I think you will find it's the same kind of energy, like it's the same kind of elements, the same kind of light, the same kind of forces, etc.

Bear in mind that dark energy is thought to be a repulsive force, a sort of anti-gravity. It isn't describing anything mystical, it's just another natural force.

Indeed, agree.

A lot of baggage with mysticism, where there is baggage or drama, I like to stay away. I like to think of it as mysterious and leave it at that. . just my personal taste though.

Indeed, just another natural mysterious force. The thoughts of those natural mysterious forces in the cosmos being within me also since I came from from the cosmos intrigue me though on a personal and opened minded journey.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

In the minds of fools is this fallacy of higher ideals,
and in geniuses as well,
strange that !
~
'mud

Are you suggesting that using truth as the ideal basis of understanding is foolishness.....I would have thought any so called understanding not based on truth as the ideal, is foolishness?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space.
You said earlier: "The dark energy within Andromeda is within you.....".
I'm not sure what that even means, but in any case how is it relevant to the point I was making? The point was that the Andromeda galaxy is unimaginably vast and unimaginably distant, and your religious beliefs have no relevance or correlation to what it is. Your religious beliefs are just beliefs, so stop pretending they have any objective validity or tell us anything significant about the nature of the universe. If you want to understand the universe better then put your religious beliefs to one side and look at some images from the Hubble telescope, you will get far more from that. http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/

In the same post you said "The Kingdom is within.", clearly trying to wheedle your theistic beliefs into the conversation, but again it looked like more sermonising, it's very tiresome.

Dark energy is omnipresent and therefore is within you....occupying the same space as you do..and planets, stars, and Galaxies. What point are you trying to make?

What have the images from the HST got to do with dark energy? You are raising the subject of religion as a strawman....typical atheist.. ...haha

'The Kingdom is within' in the context of dark energy is not religious per se, kingdom in this context means the spacial domain in which dark energy is the dominant presence.....you reaction to a saying that triggered an association with the saying of Jesus is like a vampire's reaction to Holy Water....haha.. Try repeating it to yourself until you are desensitized and it may reduce your stressfulness...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

'The Kingdom is within' in the context of dark energy is not religious per se, kingdom in this context means the spacial domain in which dark energy is the dominant presence.....you reaction to a saying that triggered an association with the saying of Jesus is like a vampire's reaction to Holy Water....haha.. Try repeating it to yourself until you are desensitized and it may reduce your stressfulness...

Nonsense, it's clearly a Biblical reference rather than a scientific one: http://www.wor.org/Books/k/kingdom_is_within_us.htm#The Kingdom Within Us

In any case, dark energy is envisaged as a repulsive force like anti-gravity. You claimed that dark energy is "in me", which is like saying that gravity is "in" me.

Yeah, whatever, cobble together a bit of Bible and a bit of pseudo-science.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nonsense, it's clearly a Biblical reference rather than a scientific one: http://www.wor.org/Books/k/kingdom_is_within_us.htm#The Kingdom Within Us

In any case, dark energy is envisaged as a repulsive force like anti-gravity. You claimed that dark energy is "in me", which is like saying that gravity is "in" me.

Yeah, whatever, cobble together a bit of Bible and a bit of pseudo-science.

There is a difference.....gravity is a force between bodies with mass...dark energy has mass and occupies the space within you...it also occupies the same space as the omnipresent zpe which has infinite energy density.... Haha...it was I who used the phrase...the kingdom is within...and therefore it is I who gets to determine what I mean...that it triggers the 'Holy Water' vampire fear in you is your problem but if you look up the dictionary meaning of ''Kingdom' it can mean 'Domain' so there...

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

gravity is a force between bodies with mass

Gravity is spacetime curvature.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Gravity is spacetime curvature.

Yes...but are you implying that gravity is not a force between bodies with mass.... Fgrav = (Gm1m2)/d2 ?

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Yes...but are you implying that gravity is not a force between bodies with mass.... Fgrav = (Gm1m2)/d2 ?

It can be described as a force, in the same way that the repelling magnetic force of an object can be described as "solid". As a side note, energy, like light, also has gravity.

 

[buddhist]

Could it be possible that "nothingness" is an actual dimension in and of itself just like space and time? If nothingness, void, vacuum, or empty space is an actual dimension, perhaps if we do not take that dimension into our equations of the universe, we could never hope to understand why there is such thing as "something". If virtual particles can briefly "pop" into and out of existence, there must be some sort of non-existence or "nothingness" (another dimension?) from whence they appear.

BTW, I do not believe that nothingness is "Pure Consciousness" or "Ultimate Reality" or anything mystical in nature. My understanding or my idea is that consciousness is a complex form of interaction. The physical world is a reality, but perhaps nothingness is another real dimension which forms that which we call existence...l

In early Buddhism, nothingness is indeed a dimension, experienced when one enters the seventh (arupa) jhana. It is said to exist on a dimension higher than consciousness itself (the sixth arupa jhana).

It is simply my belief; I do not - as of yet - have direct knowledge of the sixth or seventh, as I've only experienced the lower jhanas.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It can be described as a force, in the same way that the repelling magnetic force of an object can be described as "solid". As a side note, energy, like light, also has gravity.

Anything with mass is subject to gravitational force....yes...

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Anything with mass is subject to gravitational force....yes...

Anything with energy is subject to gravity since mass and energy are equivalent.

And yeah, I would say gravity, more fundamentally speaking, isn't a force. A force is something that accelerates you through space. When you're being pulled by gravity, you're not being pulled through space. You're moving with space. So if you skydive, you're not moving through space towards the Earth. You and space it self are moving towards Earth. As far as the spacetime around you is concerned, you're not moving at all.

So right now in your chair (if you're sitting in one) you are moving upward through space because space is moving down towards Earth.

 

[godnotgod]

I would need to see some citation on the cognitive functions of centipedes.

(Oh, man. This has got to be some kind of bad joke! Now he wants a clinical analysis of centipede consciousness and their footwork.)

I bet you think it's all about The Big Bad Brain, don't you?

Well, it's not, but you need to find that out for yourself.

 

[godnotgod]

But so what? It's like saying that we're all made of the same elements.

Are you saying you are the Andromeda Galaxy?

The Andromeda Galaxy, you, I, and all of existence, is none other than The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation.

You are That, pretending not to be That, pretending to be just little old Spiny Norman making Beeg Noisy on the REF.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Anything with energy is subject to gravity since mass and energy are equivalent.

And yeah, I would say gravity, more fundamentally speaking, isn't a force. A force is something that accelerates you through space. When you're being pulled by gravity, you're not being pulled through space. You're moving with space. So if you skydive, you're not moving through space towards the Earth. You and space it self are moving towards Earth. As far as the spacetime around you is concerned, you're not moving at all.

So right now in your chair (if you're sitting in one) you are moving upward through space because space is moving down towards Earth.

Depends...you suppose I think I am my body? One needs to be mindful that not all souls identify with the physical body as to what and who they really are..

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Depends...you suppose I think I am my body? One needs to be mindful that not all souls identify with the physical body as to what and who they really are..

Whatever it is you think you are, if you're falling towards Earth, you're moving with space, not through it. In that sense, Gravity isn't a force.

If the soul exists and is a form of energy, it's effected by gravity. Which would kind of suck. I'm picturing every disembodied soul falling towards the center of Earth upon it's body's death.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

(Oh, man. This has got to be some kind of bad joke! Now he wants a clinical analysis of centipede consciousness and their footwork.)

You could just admit to not having a citation rather than resort to condescending remarks.

I bet you think it's all about The Big Bad Brain, don't you?

It's definitely central to every other bodily function.

Well, it's not, but you need to find that out for yourself.

You need to prove your otherwise empty claims. You also still never answered to the other parts of my post even though you said you would.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Whatever it is you think you are, if you're falling towards Earth, you're moving with space, not through it. In that sense, Gravity isn't a force.

If the soul exists and is a form of energy, it's effected by gravity. Which would kind of suck. I'm picturing every disembodied soul falling towards the center of Earth upon the body's death.

The zpe is omnipresent and most likely the cause of gravity... At the infinitesimal wavelengths of the vibrational frequency continuum of zpe where the energy density is infinite..there is no movement of infinite space... All movement takes place at less energy dense longer zpe wavelengths... Zpe is the cause of inertia as well as gravity... When you are standing in a stationary passenger car at the local metro train station...and the train accelerates off....the top end of your body tends to want to stay where it was while the feet move with the train...resulting in a tendency to fall backward...that is inertia coming from the pressure of zpe 'gluing' you body's atoms to the space it was occupying at the platform.. The breaking free from the zpe inertia 'glue' operates exactly the same in deep space...

 

[godnotgod]

You could just admit to not having a citation rather than resort to condescending remarks.

It's definitely central to every other bodily function.

You need to prove your otherwise empty claims.

Nah, don't need to do anything of the sort. I just point to things. You figure them out, OK?

"OK, let's see, now...first, I must move leg #12 forward...halfway through, I must begin to move leg #4...uh...or was that #6...just can't seem to remember the sequence....after which leg #18 must wait .13 secs so that leg #9 will have a brief rest on the other side...meanwhile, segment #10 must undulate from its furthest travel to the right and begin to reverse direction to the left, after which...WTF!?....my last 4 segments are piling up on each other!...HEY!....Cut the crap!...screw this thinking crap! Lesson learned: next time: Just do it!"