Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[godnotgod]

Refusing to believe what he's witnessing, he retreats back into his ego shell, resorting to his old labeling trix. It's his security blankee, you know.

 

[Runewolf1973]

He's light years ahead of you, son. What you don't understand is that Hagelin has realized the unity of the scientific view with the mystical view, which puts the scientific view into the correct context of Reality itself., and for this, one need not seek proof, but only clear and direct insight. This can only come, however, with the right kind of focus, one which the mystical view provides. In a nutshell, science is a kind of spotlight attention, scanning the environment bit by bit, while the mystical view is floodlight attention, taking in the entire picture all at once. That is the difference between the enlightened mind, such as Hagelin's, and the still unenlightened scientific mind. And so, the scientific mind continues to seek, while the enlightened mind already sees things in their completion.

Seek what? I already have all the answers I need. My theory explains life, consciousness, death and the fundamental nature of the universe.

 

[Runewolf1973]

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It's vibrant because it is conscious, the highest form of consciousness, one that you are not yet aware of, and this consciousness is the source of the entire Universe. But while you are not aware of It, It is always aware of you.

I could say the same thing about interaction. Since interaction is present at so many different levels in the universe, what you could be experiencing as "pure consciousness" may simply be the highest or a higher level of interaction.

 

[Runewolf1973]

He's light years ahead of you, son. What you don't understand is that Hagelin has realized the unity of the scientific view with the mystical view, which puts the scientific view into the correct context of Reality itself., and for this, one need not seek proof, but only clear and direct insight. This can only come, however, with the right kind of focus, one which the mystical view provides. In a nutshell, science is a kind of spotlight attention, scanning the environment bit by bit, while the mystical view is floodlight attention, taking in the entire picture all at once. That is the difference between the enlightened mind, such as Hagelin's, and the still unenlightened scientific mind. And so, the scientific mind continues to seek, while the enlightened mind already sees things in their completion.

His idea/theory of universal consciousness doesn't work if he can't even explain what consciousness is to begin with.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Thank you for having a receptive mind.

As I read it, all of the mass of the atom is created by these Quantum and Higgs Fields fluctuations. The mass so 'created' is virtual in nature, rendering what we know as material reality to be virtual, since the gross world is built completely upon the sub-atomic world, created and re-created from moment to moment. What it amounts to from a spiritual POV is that the reality we think is real and material, is actually a manifestation of consciousness at the base level. IOW, material reality is an illusion, but not your ordinary garden variety, but one on a much higher level. True Reality is That Consciousness behind what we call the material world, The nature of that True Reality is beyond detection by the scientific mind. It is the Silent World, and can only be approached via the intuitive mind.

But the most compelling question of all is: what is the raison d'être for this manifesting of the world by Pure Consciousness?

edit: the 'two things coming together' is Consciousness acting as if (ie; 'virtual') what it is manifesting is real.

When you twirl a lighted cigarette in the dark, it only appears to be a circle of fire, when in reality, it is actually a single point of light. So it doesn;t actually exist as a circle of fire "even if for that tiny small period of time it's there".

'Circle of fire' exists only in the mind! The actual Reality is a still point of light that does not change, but only appears to change. We call this Reality 'The Changeless'. The rest is all illusion.

So I was understanding correctly lol good. Sometimes I like thinking about this type of stuff and looking into it but sometimes it can hurt my head since this is far away from any type of area of science I'm familiar with lol. But it's nice to read about it and challenge myself with it.

The cig example really helped and makes a lot of sense.

 

[outhouse]

It doesn't describe nature; it IS nature, through and through.

"and the light that I saw by was the light that I was;
and the light that I was, was the light that I saw by"

That is not what you said.

 

[Unification]

Virtual particles are real and they are a manifestation of the interactive nature of the universe, not a manifestation of consciousness.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/


John Hagelin is on crack for thinking that the universe is composed of consciousness. Consciousness is a complex form of interaction. The universe itself is one giant interactive field.

The particles are real, and it would be the light/energy that thinks, feels, is aware, stores information, reveals information, organizes, etc. not the particles themselves. Light/energy interacting with matter.

Consciousness just describes and explains that, but it's ultimately the accumulation and interactions of light/energy that is "conscious."

In which sense, the universe would be composed of consciousness... but consciousness being inside light/energy that is mingling/bonding with matter/particles or pure energy not bonding with matter/particles. "The universe is composed of light/energy that are "conscious."

We spend a great deal of time searching for consciousness as separate from energy and matter, but it's the energy itself that is "conscious."
Particles so miniscule, and types/forms of energy we may never even know exist outside of experience.

I would say that nothingness would be pure energy ...E=true zero, mass=true zero, matterless energy. I believe that with current science, that is in its beginning stages with many opponents due to certain laws having to be modified and others clinging at all costs.

Or "pure consciousness" would be "pure energy."

 

[Unification]

So what? None of that tells us what the NATURE of Reality is. If you are going to tell me it is materialistic, I can only say that the idea that the world is of a material nature is only an assumption, an assumption that is slowly being dismantled by Quantum Physics.

When I ask what the nature of Reality is, I am actually asking: 'What is it?', not 'What does it do?', or 'What characteristics does it have?'

You'll have to forgive him. He's more of an outhouse(knowledge of exoteric stuff) rather than inhouse(knowing/direct experience.)

Some people like it that way, it's their own freedom.

 

[Unification]

It's not about salvation, silly. LOL...

Sure it is, your attempt at getting through to him would have to set him free/liberate him from his current beliefs, knowledge, and knowings. "If" that's even "needed."

 

[Unification]

It's not 'out there', but in the mind.

Very true. Knowledge, knowing, belief, etc. are all within someone.

The mind is an accumulation of light/energy interacting within subatomic particles ionically bonding.

 

[godnotgod]

Seek what? I already have all the answers I need. My theory explains life, consciousness, death and the fundamental nature of the universe.

Yes, of course, and the moon is made of green cheese, your other theory. For your contribution to mankind, you are hereby awarded the REF Nobel Prize in the Best Egotistic Crackpot Theories category. Congratulations!

Next you will declare yourself Emperor of the Universe!

 

[godnotgod]

His idea/theory of universal consciousness doesn't work if he can't even explain what consciousness is to begin with.

He did. It's The Unified Field; Pure Abstract Intelligence.

 

[godnotgod]

We spend a great deal of time searching for consciousness....

"That which you are seeking is causing you to seek"
Cheri Huber, Zen author

 

[YmirGF]

Sure it is, your attempt at getting through to him would have to set him free/liberate him from his current beliefs, knowledge, and knowings. "If" that's even "needed."

If you want to spin it that way, I suppose that is your prerogative. That is certainly not my intent.

 

[Unification]

He did. It's The Unified Field; Pure Abstract Intelligence.

Intelligence would be light/energy. Pure abstract intelligence would be pure light/energy.

 

[godnotgod]

That is not what you said.

I said that (quoting Chopra): "The spiritual experience is the observer, the observed, and the entire process of observation merging into a single Reality"

'Tat tvam asi'

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
Vivekenanda

"I and my Father are One"
Jesus

All say the same thing.

 

[Unification]

If you want to spin it that way, I suppose that is your prerogative. That is certainly not my intent.

Understandable, the word "salvation" comes with many pre-determined assumptions.

 

[YmirGF]

Understandable, the word "salvation" comes with many pre-determined assumptions.

Bingo! I more about expanding our thinking, not locking it down into pine boxes of understanding as godnotgod has done.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Yes, of course, and the moon is made of green cheese, your other theory. For your contribution to mankind, you are hereby awarded the REF Nobel Prize in the Best Egotistic Crackpot Theories category. Congratulations!

Next you will declare yourself Emperor of the Universe!

Life, consciousness and death are all different forms/manifestations of the same thing...the interactive forces of nature. I don't need a prize. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

 

[Runewolf1973]

He did. It's The Unified Field; Pure Abstract Intelligence.

I see you like to chase your tail. Calling the Unified Field consciousness without explaining what consciousness is tells us nothing about the Unified Field.