Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The phrase "A Perfect view of Reality" is stuffed full of concepts and assumptions. You seem to generate an endless stream of concepts about the non-conceptual.
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Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?
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The phrase "A Perfect view of Reality" is stuffed full of concepts and assumptions. You seem to generate an endless stream of concepts about the non-conceptual.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
The phrase "A Perfect view of Reality" is stuffed full of concepts and assumptions. You seem to generate an endless stream of concepts about the non-conceptual.
I don't see how anyone can say they have a perfect view of reality. It's nonsense.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Some things are perfectly clear though.The phrase "A Perfect view of Reality" is stuffed full of concepts and assumptions. You seem to generate an endless stream of concepts about the non-conceptual.
And, imho, a very dangerous stance to take. Only a closed mind would conceive such a thing as there is nowhere to go from there.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Especially in a universe which is wide open and full of potential. There may be numerous "realities", or there may be no reality at all, only this very moment.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Maybe the idea of infinite realities is too big an idea for some so they try to shoehorn all that is into one all encompassing reality for comfort?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
There is really only the present moment, the rest is speculation.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Hehe. I'm quite famous (and annoying) for responding to the question, "What time is it?" with "It's now, of course." (I've even done this with strangers on the street, LOL.)
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod
Thou art That
The phrase "A Perfect view of Reality" is stuffed full of concepts and assumptions. You seem to generate an endless stream of concepts about the non-conceptual.
Can you read? How can it be "stuffed full of concepts"? I already defined it as being "unconditioned by any kind of conceptual knowledge". That can only mean that it is about SEEING into the true nature of Reality, instead of CONCEPTUALIZING about what Reality is. To define it as being 'unconditioned' is to say it is non-conceptual.
The Buddha achieved a Perfect View of Reality: it is called Supreme Enlightenment. It is in the Heart Sutra that the Perfection of Wisdom is taught This is the teaching of Sunyata.
'form is emptiness;
emptiness if form'
"In the Mahayana Six Perfections (paramitas), the sixth perfection is prajna paramita -- the perfection of wisdom. It is said of the perfection of wisdom that it contains all the other perfections, and without it no perfection is possible.
And "wisdom," in this case, is nothing other than the realization of sunyata. This realization is said to be the door to enlightenment."
http://buddhism.about.com/od/whatistheself/a/Sunyata-Or-Emptiness.htm
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godnotgod
Thou art That
It would be if the view they are claiming to be perfect is conceptual.
"Nothing we see or hear is perfect, and yet there, in the very midst of all of the imperfection, lies Perfect Reality"
Shunryu Suzuki, founder SF Zen Center
godnotgod
Thou art That
You're right; there is no place to go from there because you will already have arrived.
A Perfect View of Reality is not a matter of opinion created by the mind; it is a view that is unconditioned, and beyond the rational mind. It sees things as they are, and as such, is Perfect View. There is no debate to be had in this view. There are not 'two sides' to the question. It is what it is. It is a non-dual view.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Tell yourself whatever you need to, Sunshine.
godnotgod
Thou art That
You're just speculating.
If you truly understood what you're saying, you would have achieved Perfect View. But you don't, so you haven't, and that's because you're still intellectualizing about it.
BE it!
godnotgod
Thou art That
Tell yourself whatever you need to, Sunshine.
Is that your argument? It's pretty flimsy.
What is it about 'unconditioned' that you don't understand?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Haha. It's not like you articulate your thinking terribly well, godnotgod. Your presumptions about reality are only superseded by your arrogance.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
I see. So all you can deliver is fluff and no substance.
One more chance for you and then the trap door:
What is it about 'unconditioned' do you fail to understand?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That it is a concept derived from your own confirmation bias perhaps?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No. Stop conceptualising for a few minutes and just rest in the present. Really feel it.