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Counterfeit Twenties

SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
George-ananda said:
So you disagree with 'And normal polite co-operation with the police would reduce even that almost completely'.

For example: I think if George Floyd would have co-operated and been polite as opposed to struggling and resisting the unfortunate events would not have unfolded as they did.
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Yes, because even people who do that still end up dead at the hands of cops. I'm sure people are tired of hearing that by now. Might have something to do with the reaction we're seeing now.

George Floyd did cooperate and did not resist arrest. He was compliant, as you say he should have been, from everything I've seen. Unless you've got some video of him resisting that nobody has seen yet.

Maybe we should talk about how this was all done to him because some cashier called the police about him possibly using a fake bill. I unknowingly handed someone in a convenience store a fake $5 bill once. Nobody called the police. Nobody arrested me. Instead, the clerk told me that she had to keep it and was obligated to report it because that is procedure. I never got in trouble in any way. Stuff like this happens. But in only some cases, the guy/gal who passed the cashier the the fake bill will end up dead beneath the knee of a police officer.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
George-ananda said:
According to the NY Post article I read:

The second officer approaches Floyd and tells him to get out of the vehicle, prompting a brief struggle before Floyd exits the vehicle.
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Ah, but that's not when the cop throws him down and puts his knee on Floyd's neck.

It's later, after Floyd has been sitting calmly on the sidewalk, the cops start walking him to their car and then he gets thrown down and a knee jammed in his neck for almost NINE MINUTES. I'm not sure of any sane adult on the planet who doesn't know that human beings need to breathe air to live and that cutting off air from a person's brain for a prolonged period of time will kill them. You'd think trained officers of the law would probably have been taught about that. Maybe not - it does seem like their training needs some major upgrades and changes.

May I remind you that all of this was because a guy may or may not have given a cashier a counterfeit bill. That's it. And Eric Garner was stopped by police for selling loose cigarettes; they choked him to death too. The most heinous of crimes, right? :neutral:
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
SkepticThinker said:
Ah, but that's not when the cop throws him down and puts his knee on Floyd's neck.
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The struggle apparently preceded that. I consider Floyd as partly responsible for the events that transpired. And don't try to twist my words into me saying what happened was justified.
 
Tambourine

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
George-ananda said:
You failed to show any inconsistencies in my two points.

Police need to exert the appropriate amount of aggressIon with non-co-operative resisting suspects and they overacted in the Floyd case.

And polite co-operative behavior towards police would almost totally eliminate cases like this.

Where is my chain of logic not consistent?
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Did the police officer who killed Floyd exert the appropriate amount of aggression?
 
Tambourine

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
George-ananda said:
He went well over the top.
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And you are argueing that the direct cause of that inappropriate amount of force was Floyd's "non-cooperative" behavior, correct?
How does that follow from your earlier claim that police officers will exert an appropriate amount of force when encountering "non-cooperative" behavior?
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Tambourine said:
And you are argueing that the direct cause of that inappropriate amount of force was Floyd's "non-cooperative" behavior, correct?
How does that follow from your earlier claim that police officers will exert an appropriate amount of force when encountering "non-cooperative" behavior?
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You're not getting it. What I said was 'Yes he is partially responsible for the bad sequence of events'.
 
Tambourine

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
George-ananda said:
Are you even aware of the concept of joint responsibility?
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I am not aware of any other case where one individual would be morally responsible for another adult individual's actions.

EDIT: If a man was robbed, would you say that he was "partially responsible" for the crime because he was carrying money in his wallet?
 
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