Counterfeit Twenties

[George-ananda]

You have an interesting definition of not cooperating when he was handcuffed and pinned down on the concrete by 3 cops. Anything to avoid putting the blame where it belongs.

According to the NY Post article I read:

The second officer approaches Floyd and tells him to get out of the vehicle, prompting a brief struggle before Floyd exits the vehicle.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

According to the NY Post article I read:

The second officer approaches Floyd and tells him to get out of the vehicle, prompting a brief struggle before Floyd exits the vehicle.

Anything to avoid putting the blame where it belongs.

 

[George-ananda]

Anything to avoid putting the blame where it belongs.

Who’s avoiding that aspect of the event?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who’s avoiding that aspect of the event?

Doesn't excuse murder.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We don't know if George Floyd knew it was counterfeit or not. But regardless if it was me and I was innocent I would have co-operated with the police doing their job in a respectful manner.

But then, maybe there's the possibility that you are not a black man fearing exactly this sort of encounter with police, in a country where the history of such encounters does give one some legitimate cause for concern. Fear is a potent force, too, you know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well according to @Thief we both deserve summary execution

I accidentally walked out of a shop once with a shirt draped over my arm. I was at a store, found a shirt I wanted to get my brother, my land lord calls, starts talking something about rent (this was years ago so I dont remember the details). I draped the shirt over my, forgot about it given the importance of the conversation, and out the store I went for privacy and a quiet place to better hear. Fortunately I didnt go far, amd the store keeper wasnt drawing a gun on me or anything, just kept her eyes on me, and got a chuckle when I suddenly and loudly shouted "OH ****!" upon realizing what I did and rushed back in the store.

 

[George-ananda]

But then, maybe there's the possibility that you are not a black man fearing exactly this sort of encounter with police, in a country where the history of such encounters does give one some legitimate cause for concern. Fear is a potent force, too, you know.

I am going to say a black person or any person very polite and co-operative in such a situation will be fine almost all the time. Certainly obstinance or belligerence will exponentially increase the likelihood of problems.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I am going to say a black person or any person very polite and co-operative in such a situation will be fine almost all the time. Certainly obstinance or belligerence will exponentially increase the likelihood of problems.

So you espouse obsequiousness? Don't dare say, "excuse me, what have I done, and why are you arresting me?"

Would you advocate a bow or curtsey before?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I accidentally walked out of a shop once with a shirt draped over my arm. I was at a store, found a shirt I wanted to get my brother, my land lord calls, starts talking something about rent (this was years ago so I dont remember the details). I draped the shirt over my, forgot about it given the importance of the conversation, and out the store I went for privacy and a quiet place to better hear. Fortunately I didnt go far, amd the store keeper wasnt drawing a gun on me or anything, just kept her eyes on me, and got a chuckle when I suddenly and loudly shouted "OH ****!" upon realizing what I did and rushed back in the store.

I did that as a kid with a box of cereal with my babysitter. We went back.

 

[George-ananda]

So you espouse obsequiousness? Don't dare say, "excuse me, what have I done, and why are you arresting me?"

Would you advocate a bow or curtsey before?

I only espoused normal politeness and respect.

 

[David1967]

The officer with his knee on Floyd does not appear to be distracted by anything for nearly 8 minutes and only released his knee at the request of EMS.

And I find that one of the many disturbing things about this. This officer calmly, slowly and deliberately killed this handcuffed and helpless man. Good people make good cops, bad people make bad cops. This is an example of what can happen when a bad person is allowed to wear the badge. There is no valid argument for what this officer did.

 

[Thief]

most energetic thread I ever posted....

I wonder if this same crowd is capable of finding articles of good cops AS good cops

 

[Thief]

I am not altogether playing devil's advocate
some participants seem to think so

but for more fun......let's say that bad cop IS the devil in disguise

and you don't want to be arrested
and the slightest twitch on you part can trigger a dangerous response from the guy wearing the badge

and a polite SIR is in order
and a attitude of compliance is prudent

 

[Thief]

jujust so you know


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[Thief]

science fiction as an argument?

coming soon.....to a planet near you

 

[Mock Turtle]

I am not altogether playing devil's advocate
some participants seem to think so

but for more fun......let's say that bad cop IS the devil in disguise

and you don't want to be arrested
and the slightest twitch on you part can trigger a dangerous response from the guy wearing the badge

and a polite SIR is in order
and a attitude of compliance is prudent

You seem to be thinking that we all behave alike and predictably, when this isn't so for various reasons, and cops should be able to deal with such a range of responses without endangering the lives of any or their own. It seems to be that some cops are more interested in preserving their lives over the lives of others (when the threat just doesn't exist) or having an agenda that might be covered by such an understanding - 's/he was threatening my life'.

 

[Tambourine]

Ridiculous. So.....let everybody go????

It sounds to me like one should co-operate with the police at the time and sort it out legally later.

You just argued that every arrest carries the risk of a person dying.

Would you prefer fewer arrests, or fewer people dead?

 

[Thief]

some cops are more interested in preserving their lives over the lives of others

hmmmm...

"my job is dangerous.....and I want to die"

 

[Tambourine]

hmmmm...

"my job is dangerous.....and I want to die"

How many people are killed by firemen in the US, on average?

 

[Thief]

how many fires are started by protesters?