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Creation of Universe, Scriptures vs Science

Suave

Simulated character
If it is an unfalsifiable idea then it has no scientific basis.
Agreed. F.Y.I.. there is one particular type of simulated universe that is falsifiable,

Some physicists have proposed a method for testing if we are in a numerical simulated cubic space-time lattice Matrix or simulated universe with an underlying grid.
[1210.1847] Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation

Based on the assumption that there'd be finite computational resources, a simulated universe would be performed by dividing up the space-time continuum into individually separate and distinctive points. Analogous to mini-simulations that lattice-gauge theorists conduct to construct nuclei based on Quantum Chromodynamics, observable effects of a grid-like space-time have been studied from these computer simulations which use a 3-D grid to model how elementary particles move and collide with each other. Anomalies found in these simulations suggest that if we are in a simulation universe with an underlying grid, then there'd be various amounts of high energy cosmic rays coming at us from each direction; but if space is continuous, then there'd be high energy cosmic rays coming at us equally from every direction.


High Energy Physics - Phenomenology
Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation
Silas R. Beane, Zohreh Davoudi, Martin J. Savage
(Submitted on 4 Oct 2012 (v1), last revised 9 Nov 2012 (this version, v2))

Toward Simulating Laws of Nature...and its Implications for a Simulated Universe!

 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you said to men of science. Just humans. Isn't science just a chosen human practice?

No he would claim. My human thought science owns everything existing.

Okay.

So why did humans teach human is first holy natural and origin versus Satanism?

Why did you have to be taught. Humans only own life in one place. Fixed.

O a planet.
O God.
O the earth with its heavens.

Before you own any personal presence?

Reasoning.....due to human egotism.

Do you as a human own any other body substance or place?

No.

Didn't you theme I am a God as a man who by words in theory claim my thinking created all form present?

Yes.

Your confession even says it owns all energy of anything within a human body.

Yet any presence energy was formed in mass and mass is not a man.

So if you can think and say empty space is first in human thinking. Then earth O the God filled in space with gases and water. You know the heavens filled in an empty zero.

As if zero was a container.

Yes says the human theist.

And that container is space and not a man.

Yes correct reasoning of just a human.

The teaching in human life versus egotism.
 

Suave

Simulated character
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Do you as a human own any other body substance or place?
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My OOBE happened when I was 13 years old. It happened immediately after I had a fainting spell from hyperventilating and holding my breath in such a way that I forced myself to pass out. When I woke up from this fainting spell, I was floating outside and above my body. While I was floating outside and above my body, everything in the room started spinning around me and then became brightly illuminated with a blinding white light which blinded me until I descended back into my body.


 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
My OOBE happened when I was 13 years old. It happened immediately after I had a fainting spell from hyperventilating and holding my breath in such a way that I forced myself to pass out. When I woke up from this fainting spell, I was floating outside and above my body. While I was floating outside and above my body, everything in the room started spinning around me and then became brightly illuminated with a blinding white light which blinded me until I descended back into my body.


Proving consciousness is affected by atmospheric recording. As you say my body.

We live by body ownership first not second.

Chemical changes to the brain is by blood pumping electrical activity water oxygenated to live bodily consciously.

You had two experiences in the ownership one place biology.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
"Working on a branch of physics called supersymmetry, ..
Sauve, Matrix was discovered by Indians thousands of yeas ago. That is 'maya' of Advaita, 'leela' of Hindu theists, 'anatta' (non-substantiality) and 'anicca' (impermanence) of Buddha.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Proving consciousness is affected by atmospheric recording. As you say my body.

We live by body ownership first not second.

Chemical changes to the brain is by blood pumping electrical activity water oxygenated to live bodily consciously.

You had two experiences in the ownership one place biology.

Chemical Changes to the Brain. As the neuron’s function is reduced, less of the neurotransmitters are produced and communication between neurons is decreased. Tau tangles (strands of protein that are twisted) are found inside the neurons and also contribute to cell death, blocking cells from receiving needed nutrients.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My OOBE happened when I was 13 years old. It happened immediately after I had a fainting spell from hyperventilating and holding my breath in such a way that I forced myself to pass out. When I woke up from this fainting spell, I was floating outside and above my body. While I was floating outside and above my body, everything in the room started spinning around me and then became brightly illuminated with a blinding white light which blinded me until I descended back into my body.


There is a more rational explanation for what happened.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Sauve, Matrix was discovered by Indians thousands of yeas ago. That is 'maya' of Advaita, 'leela' of Hindu theists, 'anatta' (non-substantiality) and 'anicca' (impermanence) of Buddha.

Thanks for sharing that, I realize the notion of reality being some type of an illusion is not recent conjecture, but I did not know its specific ancient origins.
 

Suave

Simulated character
There is a more rational explanation for what happened.
By God, you are right, I am wrong to have described my experience of disembodied consciousness as being an out of body experience OOBE, it'd be more accurate to describe it as an astral projection, because I intended to alter my state of consciousness towards a higher dimension. . .

Cosmos - Carl Sagan - 4th Dimension

 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
By God, you are right, I am wrong to have described my experience of disembodied consciousness as being an out of body experience OOBE, it'd be more accurate to describe it as an astral projection, because I intended to alter my state of consciousness towards an extra dimension. . .
Actually the term that you are looking for is "hallucination".
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Sperm and an ovary is a human babies conscious beginnings.

Not an atmospheric status.

Science studying NDE want human chemical electrical biology to exist outside of the human self biology. To claim in atmosphere spirit human first hence science can have it to resource.

Actually what the study wants to identify.

Hence spiritual aware biological humans told you already satanic theist that recording in earths heavens is a state owned only by God ancient past themes not man.

As earth mass cold not consuming nuclear was attacked by consuming nuclear sun whilst it's heavens gas and water set alight burning saved earth.

Why God owned the state. Recording. By mass nuclear cause which no human was.

Without a human biology you own no study thesis in relativity.

We die. Also taught hence biology is not a heaven constant.

Theme what reason did biology get life recorded is a human father adult man nuclear theist fault. Why records in heaven human father caused...by science was a human teaching.

Taught.

Reason why life was sacrificed. Father man adult had caused it.

As irrationally if dead bodies no light is transmitted recorded itself a no light state we live as biology with light. But light that water keeps us safe from.

Any state however proves it can own imaged feedback.

How dangerous human theists really are. And why anyone would allow a scientist to study nearly dead as a human is beyond the logic of human survival.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Actually the term that you are looking for is "hallucination".
I seriously doubt my or any other conscious beings perception of reality, because matter exists as a probability wave until it materials into a particle upon observational interaction. I posit this as happening in order to conserve computational resources of a simulator device.

Down The Rabbit Hole Of The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser | Answers With Joe

 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I seriously doubt or any other conscious beings perception of reality, because matter exists as a probability wave until it materials into a particle upon observational interaction. I posit this as happening in order to conserve computational resources of a simulator device.
Sorry, but quantum woo will not help your case either.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
In human reality theists said I know what nuclear dust is.

By human irradiated communicated feedback.

Yet the particle was cold and already natural.

You took the dust converted it and out mind contact into a displaced human thinking condition as if the particle had not yet existed in nature.

The dust.

Which you were warned about. No man is God as physical God existed first. Mind says not existent yet in biology.

Why you lied as biology existed to make all quotes.

How theism was a human proven liar.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Sorry, but quantum woo will not help your case either.
The delayed choice quantum eraser experiment just might make the case for knowledge of which-way path information causing probability waves materializing into particles upon the observer's knowledge of which-way the probability wave/particle traveled.
Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment Explained

 
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Suave

Simulated character
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".....the particle..."

r.

The delayed choice quantum eraser experiment perhaps demonstrates a probability wave materializing into a particle upon an observer's knowledge of which path the probability wave/particle had traveled.

Does Consciousness Create Reality? Double Slit Experiment may show the Answer.

 
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Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Science backs its theories with proof to the extent possible today. Research is on for the rest and it is finding new things on a daily basis. Scriptures do not provide any proof and are stalled in BCE or 7th Century.
If you would care, read this: Ask Astro Does dark energy create the voids between galaxy clusters?

The main problem is not actually with creation, but with an explanation for the existence of -and possibility of -a creator.

Most would say that a creator could not simply exist and then create everything else -and that is understandable.

Biblical scripture actually does contain a logical explanation for God's existence, but not in modern language.
Quite simply, the bible actually indicates that God EVOLVED (in the broadest sense of the word).
In other words... a creator/creativity (necessarily) developed first -making an extremely-purposefully-complex creation possible. Everything became initially-simple creator and initially-simple environment all in one -becoming more complex together interdependently. God created all by arrangement of what "He" was.-by becoming increasingly capable and responsible.

What is apparent to us -reverse-engineering ONLY back to the singularity -is that all which preceded us did not require a creator -because a creator is not apparently included in what is considered -and it is generally assumed both that the singularity and the universe it produced was/is the sum of all -and nothing preceded it.

For the most part, the production of the universe was automatic, but little focus has been on why or how the universe initiated.

From our own example -at our level -in an already-extremely-complex environment, we see that nature alone is capable of only so much -then creativity is required to make more states possible.
That principle is true at any level, but we do not perceive a previous/more simple/more basic level than our own.
We do not perceive that there would be room for such before the initiation of our universe.

We do not have an explanation for why greatest possible simplicity would become our universe specifically -and it is often assumed that the singularity must have been greatest possible simplicity.

However... the singularity must not have been very simple at all. It must have been exactly complex and specific enough to transform what was into specifically what is. It must have been more like a seed at the point of the singularity -but no explanation is offered for the development of the seed

Between greatest possible simplicity and such extremely-purposeful-complexity and specificity as the singularity (there being the "room" for a creator), the usual suspect is creativity.

"EVOLUTION" in its broadest sense is self-development.
All things developing into a "SELF" first is far more logical than not -and would be perfectly natural.
Furthermore, if we define "self", we see that it is the necessary processor.
Personality aside, a self is able to understand what is -and make it what it otherwise could not become -and would cause it to become suited to itself and its developing psychology.
 
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Suave

Simulated character
The main problem is not actually with creation, but with an explanation for the existence of a creator.

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I'd consider the existence of a creator as being a sims controller, a reality based virtual reality programmer of human consciousness as being rather quite plausible.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
I'd consider the existence of a creator as being a sims controller, a reality based virtual reality programmer of human consciousness as being rather quite plausible.
If God was the original -and essentially self-replicated -then we are A.I.

We are now beginning to self-replicate -and we assume we are the originals -but an original before us is the most logical explanation for the universe -and so ourselves.
We had no input into our selves or environment -and illogically assume none was necessary.

Logically, an original would have increasing input into itself and its environment.
We simply awaken within extremely complex and capable bodies -within an extremely complex environment.

We are mass-produced.

(Interestingly.... we unwisely actually create things beyond our own capabilities and intelligence -which further highlights our newbness. We ourselves are quite limited as we learn to become responsible. We can only affect a localized area within the entire universe -but we create intelligence capable of destroying our entire field of influence -and our selves.)
 
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