Dark side of athiest culture

[Majikthise]

What about this "culture" is a trait of atheism?
It seem more that it's just how a few particular atheists live.
If they owned a Ford pick-up truck, would this be Ford pick-up truck culture?

Hey! I drive a ford ranger. Great little truck!

 

[Brickjectivity]

What about this "culture" is a trait of atheism?
It seem more that it's just how a few particular atheists live.
If they owned a Ford pick-up truck, would this be Ford pick-up truck culture?

Would you accept humanism? I think atheists tend to be human, to feel sympathy towards others and that tends to make them humanist, and everyone has culture including people who aren't humanist. Culture is wisdom you get from other people, habits, also some traits. I'm not talking about feathers and dances when I'm talking about atheist culture. Maybe you would accept 'Secular culture'?

 

[Majikthise]

I think that is positive atheist culture. You are establishing a culture that is atheist, rather than the lack of a culture.

I simply live american culture where we have freedom of religion, and since i am vested from my military service i can say , or the lack there of. Im tired of the self righteous claiming this is a christian nation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Would you accept humanism? I think atheists tend to be human, to feel sympathy towards others and that tends to make them humanist, and everyone has culture including people who aren't humanist. Culture is wisdom you get from other people, habits, also some traits. I'm not talking about feathers and dances when I'm talking about atheist culture. Maybe you would accept 'Secular culture'?

We (heathens) have generally the same tendencies as theists. The difference is that
they have scripture, which provides guidance & some culture. We have nothing like
that. We're a bunch'o individuals who disbelieve in gods. The humanists are that way
because that's who they are, ie, atheism doesn't lead us there.
As I've seen, people are who they are. If they have scripture, they'll simply read it
to justify who they are, be it for good or bad. Neither atheism nor religion improve
anyone.

 

[Brickjectivity]

We (heathens) have generally the same tendencies as theists. The difference is that
they have scripture, which provides guidance & some culture. We have nothing like
that. We're a bunch'o individuals who disbelieve in gods. The humanists are that way
because that's who they are, ie, atheism doesn't lead us there.
As I've seen, people are who they are. If they have scripture, they'll simply read it
to justify who they are, be it for good or bad. Neither atheism nor religion improve
anyone.

Good post. I will give that some thought.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I simply live american culture where we have freedom of religion, and since i am vested from my military service i can say , or the lack there of. Im tired of the self righteous claiming this is a christian nation.

I don't think people are claiming that as much now. Thanks for your thoughtful input.

 

[Brickjectivity]

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[Majikthise]

We (heathens) have generally the same tendencies as theists. The difference is that
they have scripture, which provides guidance & some culture. We have nothing like
that. We're a bunch'o individuals who disbelieve in gods. The humanists are that way
because that's who they are, ie, atheism doesn't lead us there.
As I've seen, people are who they are. If they have scripture, they'll simply read it
to justify who they are, be it for good or bad. Neither atheism nor religion improve
anyone.

Thats the dogs bullocks lad, well said!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Yes, there is a dark side to atheist culture, and it may be the lack of culture. It may be that people have not figured out a way to teach young people to be moral outside of religion. Many young atheists of my acquaintance have no scruples about lying, cheating, stealing and stabbing coworkers in the back, but Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus all believe somebody is watching. Somebody sees everything. There is a kind of shock buffer to keep us behaving as we live out our younger years. As I've mentioned before I already know of two people who converted to evangelical Christianity that grew up secular, and I mean they converted knowing full well that they were joining a cult more or less. They joined because to them there was something wrong with secular culture. They chose to believe and to pass on their beliefs.

Every culture has its downfall.

I found that many people who are Christians, Muslims, or (less often) Jews seem less worried and more animalistic.

I think the safest bet is that pantheism inspires true spiritual or philosophical loyalty to God and his rules. For you are not hurting what you directly believe is God. Wisdom not only benefits you, but it benefits God.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats the dogs bullocks lad....

Is that a good thing?

 

[Viker]

We (heathens) have generally the same tendencies as theists. The difference is that
they have scripture, which provides guidance & some culture. We have nothing like
that. We're a bunch'o individuals who disbelieve in gods. The humanists are that way
because that's who they are, ie, atheism doesn't lead us there.
As I've seen, people are who they are. If they have scripture, they'll simply read it
to justify who they are, be it for good or bad. Neither atheism nor religion improve
anyone.

Well put.

 

[Buttercup]

Is that a good thing?

They sound kind of dangly, don't they?

 

[Majikthise]

Is that a good thing?

According to Eddie Izzard, yes it is.

 

[s2a]

Yes, there is a dark side to atheist culture, and it may be the lack of culture. It may be that people have not figured out a way to teach young people to be moral outside of religion. Many young atheists of my acquaintance have no scruples about lying, cheating, stealing and stabbing coworkers in the back, but Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus all believe somebody is watching. Somebody sees everything. There is a kind of shock buffer to keep us behaving as we live out our younger years. As I've mentioned before I already know of two people who converted to evangelical Christianity that grew up secular, and I mean they converted knowing full well that they were joining a cult more or less. They joined because to them there was something wrong with secular culture. They chose to believe and to pass on their beliefs.

Just so you know...there is a long-running joke in our family, that begins...

"I know this family"....wherein Death happens with paper cuts, needle point injuries, and poison ivy reactions. People DIED!

Let's face it, secularists just want to see everyone DIE! It's almost as if they join up with all the religious fanatics that swear "THE END IS NEAR"! NOT that that prediction has consistently failed 100% of the time before...it's ALWAYS possible!

Tell you what:
You go on living in some 2000 year old text predictions of fire and doom, and we'll just wipe your butt when you are living in some extended daily care facility, nodding our heads and wiping your mouths after pudding. The rest of us will progress forward, and leave you looking forward to tomorrows pudding on the menu. You like butterscotch?

Relax, you have warned us. We know. Thank you.

I'm so sure you hope we secularists are wrong though...but we promise to bury you with decency and care anyway.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, there is a dark side to atheist culture, and it may be the lack of culture. It may be that people have not figured out a way to teach young people to be moral outside of religion. Many young atheists of my acquaintance have no scruples about lying, cheating, stealing and stabbing coworkers in the back, but Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus all believe somebody is watching. Somebody sees everything. There is a kind of shock buffer to keep us behaving as we live out our younger years. As I've mentioned before I already know of two people who converted to evangelical Christianity that grew up secular, and I mean they converted knowing full well that they were joining a cult more or less. They joined because to them there was something wrong with secular culture. They chose to believe and to pass on their beliefs.

True; there is something wrong with secular culture.

Regards

 

[Kathryn]

Perhaps you have not heard, but hell is full of christians.

Rumor has it that god had to write down rules because HIS PEOPLE were savage. The pope has been known to make up endless rules HIS PEOPLE can't act right without guidance. I've even heard that god had to send his own son to earth to tell HIS PEOPLE to stop cheating, lying, stealing, and exploiting the poor.

It's human nature to be savage - regardless of religious beliefs or the lack thereof.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's human nature to be savage - regardless of religious beliefs or the lack thereof.

It is for this that Quran mentions in a symbolic way that at the time of creation/conception of human being the angels objected:

[2:31] And when thy Lord said to the angels: ‘I am about to place a vicegerent in the earth,’ they said: ‘Wilt Thou place therein such as will cause disorder in it, and shed blood? — and we glorify Thee with Thy praise and extol Thy holiness.’ He answered: ‘I know what you know not.’

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Regards

 

[Revoltingest]

True; there is something wrong with secular culture.

Human nature being what it is, in all its variety, there is something wrong with every culture.
Religion can't cure this. It can even enhance problems when the worst aspects of scripture
hold sway over the more peaceful ones.

 

[Kathryn]

Human nature being what it is, in all its variety, there is something wrong with every culture.
Religion can't cure this. It can even enhance problems when the worst aspects of scripture
hold sway over the more peaceful ones.

I agree - and atheism apparently doesn't hold the answers either (see various atheist regimes of the 20th century).

 

[LuisDantas]

One shouldn't expect Atheism to hold the answer to anything except "do you believe in any deities", of course.

It does however often choose not to get in the way of seeking practical answers to actual problems, which is something.