Debate 3

[Lighthouse]

You'll need to be more coherent than that if you want to impress me with your reasoning skills.

Another assumption, I could care less about trying to impress you.
Read and respond before concluding and assuming.

 

[Sunstone]

Another assumption, I could care less about trying to impress you.

I agree. Now that you mention it, it's obvious that you do not care to impress me with your reasoning skills.

 

[Lighthouse]

I agree. Now that you mention it, it's obvious that you do not care to impress me with your reasoning skills.

I care for correcting your adult false equivalence and assumptions on others. It is good for your health and for the health of others. If you want to bring up reasoning skills, it is also good for that. Reasoning cannot be honest with false equivalences, speaking for others, and assuming.
I understand though, in my youth I used to do the same quite frequently and not realize it.

 

[Sunstone]

I care for correcting your adult false equivalence and assumptions on others. It is good for your health and for the health of others. If you want to bring up reasoning skills, it is also good for that. Reasoning cannot be honest with false equivalences, speaking for others, and assuming.
I understand though, in my youth I used to do the same quite frequently and not realize it.

You might or might not have been referring to Trump's bragging about groping women when you referred to his "adult" humor. You didn't make that entirely clear until I challenged you on it, but whatever.

You have, however, made it clear that you believe Trump's "jokes" about women, and the jokes I tell about strip clubs, etc, are the same sort of thing. Let me point out to you, though, that I do not make jokes intended to demean women, while the jokes you defend Trump making are intended to do just that. What you are doing is drawing a false equivalence between my jokes and Trump's jokes.

Furthermore, you believe that Trump's jokes are "adult" humor. Your notion of "adult" humor strikes me as remarkably middle school.

I'll now let you have the last word on this, Lighthouse, since whenever I talk with you I end up having to explain the obvious, and that gets tiresome.

 

[Lighthouse]

You might or might not have been referring to Trump's bragging about groping women when you referred to his "adult" humor. You didn't make that entirely clear until I challenged you on it, but whatever.

You have, however, made it clear that you believe Trump's "jokes" about women, and the jokes I tell about strip clubs, etc, are the same sort of thing. Let me point out to you, though, that I do not make jokes intended to demean women, while the jokes you defend Trump making are intended to do just that. What you are doing is drawing a false equivalence between my jokes and Trump's jokes.

Furthermore, you believe that Trump's jokes are "adult" humor. Your notion of "adult" humor strikes me as remarkably middle school.

I'll now let you have the last word on this, Lighthouse, since whenever I talk with you I end up having to explain the obvious, and that gets tiresome.

Please challenge me on that and ask before assuming.

That had nothing to do with Trump's jokes vs your jokes nor have I compared them.

It had everything to do with the juvenile and adult comparison which was directed at me. You can look at what I responsed to, it is obvious.

I respect your opinion if you feel they are middle school. No offense taken. Many of his jokes are middle school also in my opinion.

I realize that what we are doing is middle school so I make a peace offer to you, and no hard feelings.

 

[Notanumber]

We have heard all about how Hillary is two faced and some people have no problem with that, but they don’t expect Donald to be the same.

I wonder who started that locker room discussion. Could it have been Billy Bush?

Was this a form of entrapment?

Billy Bush

While the controversy has focused mainly on Trump, Bush also faced backlash as a result of the tape,[41] mainly due to his statement that Zucker "[is] hot as ****" and his goading her into hugging Trump after they get off the bus. Bush received online criticism and calls for his resignation from The Today Show, where he is an anchor. The Washington Post stated, "Bush's public image was damaged—perhaps beyond repair."[41] There were so many negative comments on Bush's social media accounts following the tape's release that his Twitter account was taken down on the evening of October 7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_Billy_Bush_recording_controversy

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/billy-bush-reportedly-has-a-history-of-making-lewd-comments.html

 

[Sonofason]

He said he'd release them when Hillary released all of her emails.

Hahaha, then it's never gonna happen haha

 

[Sonofason]

Ok, didn't realize evangalicals should think that way, I was raised to respect women.

Neither was I raised to think that way. It just comes naturally. Everyone notices when someone else is taking a bigger piece of pie than everyone else. Everyone, including you.

 

[Sonofason]

that's ugly and crude, I woundt be surprised if you were calling me that with my obesity. But guess what? MEN are big fat pigs too, sorry to lower myself to your standards but sense you and Trump think its ok to rate women by their looks we women can do the same thing, Trump is a pig too, hes about 25 pounds over weight he looks old, and his face is swollen and puffy, hes unattractive and disgusting. How does it feel?

I weigh 290 pounds I'm a big fat pig too and I'm a nasty woman, but hey I met an older man whos 55 and in good shape and fit and he and are dating on a friendship level ,his name is Billie, hes sweet and were dating. But hes fit and he looks great Id never date a disgusting person like Trump.

Yes, but I do not think it would be appropriate to call an obese man "Miss" piggy, unless perhaps he identifies himself as a woman. Honestly, some people have medical conditions which contribute to their obesity, and I have a great deal of sympathy for them. I assure you, I would never call a fat person fat to their face, unless they were as ugly a person (inside) as Rosie O'Donnell is. Her, I'd call fat to her face, especially if she was making rude comments to me and about me first. You deserve what you dish out.

I agree, that Trump is not the best looking man on the planet, not by a long shot. And I appreciate the fact that you noticed that. It's not like you are so wonderful and Christlike that you wouldn't even notice whether someone was attractive or not. You do notice, and you do acknowledge. But of course, I expect that in most cases you are kind enough not to say it. But in this case, you did say it, because you feel as though you were attacked first. And I get that. But we were not talking about you. We were talking about comments Trump made about someone else, who deserved what Trump said about her. If that is offensive to you...lose some weight and feel better about yourself. It is wonderful that there are people out there that can see through the outer layers of a person to see the real person. Maybe your boyfriend is such a person...and that is great. Not everyone does that...well, no one does that...but some are indeed kind enough not to mention it. Maybe one day, there might be people so kind that they don't even notice another's outer appearance.

 

[Sonofason]

I agree. Now that you mention it, it's obvious that you do not care to impress me with your reasoning skills.

It seems to me that your declared "religion" on this site is a good reflection of how you view women. I am quite sure, that in private conversations you and Trump are far more alike than you would like to admit. I am certain of this.

 

[idav]

Everyone notices when someone else is taking a bigger piece of pie than everyone else. Everyone, including you.

I wouldn't call someone a glutton for it and don't think that is what Mr. Trump meant when he called a former miss universe, a miss piggy. He was body shaming her and when that happens women can become very depressed about weight trying. In this case the lady went into a bout of depression and eating disorders. It is no way to talk to people regardless of what "sins" people think they do. Nobody should have to live up to impossible standards of weight and beauty, and this is not the only person he talked about like that in public view. It's his words that are grotesque not the people he shames.

 

[Sonofason]

I wouldn't call someone a glutton for it and don't think that is what Mr. Trump meant when he called a former miss universe, a miss piggy. He was body shaming her and when that happens women can become very depressed about weight trying. In this case the lady went into a bout of depression and eating disorders. It is no way to talk to people regardless of what "sins" people think they do. Nobody should have to live up to impossible standards of weight and beauty, and this is not the only person he talked about like that in public view. It's his words that are grotesque not the people he shames.

I agree that it would be nice if we could all rise above that. It is often the case that when a person feels insulted, they have a strong urge to insult the person who insulted them. I personally understand this, and I am very much the same. If someone were to harm me physically, I would have a strong desire to hurt them in return. And for me, it is the same with verbal abuse. If someone criticizes me, I have a strong desire to criticize them in return. I would suggest that a person who insults another person deserves to be insulted. However, in reflection, I recognize this as a weakness, and I would prefer to be capable of rising above it all. And I do believe, that I often times do rise above it. But I don't always rise above it.

So do the people who criticize other people actually deserve to be criticized themselves? I would say yes. My wife says no. She believes that people are what they are. Some people are incapable of controlling their emotions. The junk just spouts out of their mouths. It is a real physical, and often times uncontrollable urge that results in a real physical response, which is oftentimes very ugly. And if we are indeed the better person, we must not respond to those rude and crude comments that are made by people that just can't help it. We must rise above it.

If I were to take this a bit further, I would suggest to you that you forget what Trump has said, and rise above even mentioning it ever again. He is not in complete control of what he says, and you ought not judge him because of it. If you are better than he is, then you would not ever mention it again.

 

[idav]

I agree that it would be nice if we could all rise above that. It is often the case that when a person feels insulted, they have a strong urge to insult the person who insulted them. I personally understand this, and I am very much the same. If someone were to harm me physically, I would have a strong desire to hurt them in return. And for me, it is the same with verbal abuse. If someone criticizes me, I have a strong desire to criticize them in return. I would suggest that a person who insults another person deserves to be insulted. However, in reflection, I recognize this as a weakness, and I would prefer to be capable of rising above it all. And I do believe, that I often times do rise above it. But I don't always rise above it.

So do the people who criticize other people actually deserve to be criticized themselves? I would say yes. My wife says no. She believes that people are what they are. Some people are incapable of controlling their emotions. The junk just spouts out of their mouths. It is a real physical, and often times uncontrollable urge that results in a real physical response, which is oftentimes very ugly. And if we are indeed the better person, we must not respond to those rude and crude comments that are made by people that just can't help it. We must rise above it.

If I were to take this a bit further, I would suggest to you that you forget what Trump has said, and rise above even mentioning it ever again. He is not in complete control of what he says, and you ought not judge him because of it. If you are better than he is, then you would not ever mention it again.

I can understand what your saying that people getting offended can just lead to a sort of flaming war. I am the type that tends to be able to control emotions and physical actions when threatened emotionally or physically. This most often leads to more peaceful resolutions when possible. What I do take issue with is when people resort to attacks that I would consider, "hitting below the belt", which I try to avoid emotionally and/or physically if it can be helped. I do realize some people may have less patience in such matters, which I would consider a major flaw for presidential candidate.

 

[Sonofason]

I can understand what your saying that people getting offended can just lead to a sort of flaming war. I am the type that tends to be able to control emotions and physical actions when threatened emotionally or physically. This most often leads to more peaceful resolutions when possible. What I do take issue with is when people resort to attacks that I would consider, "hitting below the belt", which I try to avoid emotionally and/or physically if it can be helped. I do realize some people may have less patience in such matters, which I would consider a major flaw for presidential candidate.

Your opinion is appreciated. You may be right. It is a hard decision when the man with the right policies is the man who also hits below the belt.

 

[Sonofason]

While I believe that a person who hits below the belt deserves to be hit below the belt, it is a shame when non-participants of the confrontation are offended by what is said. I agree that such speech should be avoided.

For those who care what the dispute was about between Trump and O'Donnell, see the following web page.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What I find interesting is it's predicted that due to Trumps unpredictability and the uncertainty he would bring as president, the stock market will tank.

We have heard all about how Hillary is two faced and some people have no problem with that, but they don’t expect Donald to be the same.

I wonder who started that locker room discussion. Could it have been Billy Bush?

Was this a form of entrapment?

Billy Bush

While the controversy has focused mainly on Trump, Bush also faced backlash as a result of the tape,[41] mainly due to his statement that Zucker "[is] hot as ****" and his goading her into hugging Trump after they get off the bus. Bush received online criticism and calls for his resignation from The Today Show, where he is an anchor. The Washington Post stated, "Bush's public image was damaged—perhaps beyond repair."[41] There were so many negative comments on Bush's social media accounts following the tape's release that his Twitter account was taken down on the evening of October 7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_Billy_Bush_recording_controversy

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/billy-bush-reportedly-has-a-history-of-making-lewd-comments.html

I've heard guy locker room talk, and not even high school jocks thought being on the football team and popular entitled them to just grab a girl and kiss her.

 

[Sunstone]

It seems to me that your declared "religion" on this site is a good reflection of how you view women. I am quite sure, that in private conversations you and Trump are far more alike than you would like to admit. I am certain of this.

Coming from you, your low opinion of me is an honor.

By the way, I would never introduce you to any of my friends who are or have been erotic dancers -- you'd have no respect for them.

 

[Notanumber]

I would have liked to hear the full-unedited recording of the locker room discussion right from its initiation before being too critical.

If anyone has a link to the full recording please post it.

 

[Sonofason]

Coming from you, your low opinion of me is an honor.

By the way, I would never introduce you to any of my friends who are or have been erotic dancers -- you'd have no respect for them.

I have no lower opinion of you than I do anyone else. Indeed, you are just like everyone else. And my compassion goes out to all of you.

 

[leibowde84]

Decided to put this up here. Waiting to watch.. They say hes got a bunch of accusers at Hillary including disgruntled brother of Obauma.

It's funny to me that Trump would be foolish enough to think that Hilary would care about past accusers of her husband, who isn't even running for president, when there are plenty of accusers of Trump, who is.