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Debate 3

leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Sonofason said:
Well, if Trump wins now, it will be a miracle, which is exactly what this country needs right now. Hillary is a very very good liar. But then she's had a lot of practice.
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Even Hillary is nowhere near as dishonest as Trump. I never thought a man could be that dishonorable in every way possible. Hillary is tough to beat in that regard, but Trump is much more dishonest. And the sad part is he's not good at it.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
leibowde84 said:
Even Hillary is nowhere near as dishonest as Trump. I never thought a man could be that dishonorable in every way possible. Hillary is tough to beat in that regard, but Trump is much more dishonest. And the sad part is he's not good at it.
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And what exactly can you show as evidence that Trump has been dishonest?

I will not hear unverified accusations. You will show proof, or you may as well show nothing at all.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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columbus said:
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Sure.
Trump said that he would release his tax returns.
But he hasn't.
Trump will lie to his supporters and not think twice about doing so because he knows that they will believe him anyway.
Tom
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I think we've been over this. You claim that Trump said he would turn over his tax returns, but you did not declare when he said he would do that. If I am to make a reasonable determination as to whether Trump lied about this, I would have to know the time frame in which Trump committed himself to turn over his taxes. But you have not shown that information. And I am beginning to seriously doubt if such information even exists, which would make Trumps claim open ended until the time of his inevitable death.
 
C

columbus

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Sonofason said:
You claim that Trump said he would turn over his tax returns, but you did not declare when he said he would do that.
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It isn't hard to find Trump claiming that he would release his tax returns before the election. Google is quite able to provide the facts.

The election is nearly over. Trump lying about this is partly why. He cannot be trusted, and a significant majority of voters can see that. He will say whatever gets him what he thinks most likely to get him what he wants, truth and honesty be damned.

Trump is a loser, largely because he doesn't believe that the American electorate can see through his lies.
But you and he appear to be wrong. We do see through them and he is losing as a result.
Tom
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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columbus said:
It isn't hard to find Trump claiming that he would release his tax returns before the election. Google is quite able to provide the facts.

The election is nearly over. Trump lying about this is partly why. He cannot be trusted, and a significant majority of voters can see that. He will say whatever gets him what he thinks most likely to get him what he wants, truth and honesty be damned.

Trump is a loser, largely because he doesn't believe that the American electorate can see through his lies.
But you and he appear to be wrong. We do see through them and he is losing as a result.
Tom
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I am not going to fact check you. I will assume for the time being that you are telling the truth. I do not believe the election has taken place, and therefore until the election does take place, Trump cannot be shown to have lied.

If Trump loses it is not so much a statement about Him, it is more a statement about you, just as the lies you are telling about him is a statement about you as well.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
idav said:
Even in the third debate he keeps lying about never supporting what US did in Iraq. He publicly supported it in an interview with Howard Stern.
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I would not say that his answer to Howard Stern was a whole-hearted support for the war in Iraq. They were talking about terrorism, when Howard threw in the question on Iraq. Trump's mindset was that it was necessary to fight against terrorism. And in that context, fighting in Iraq would be necessary, but not necessarily against the nation of Iraq. Trump's later answers to those kinds of questions became increasingly clear that he was, and has been against the War in Iraq. But this is how you play the game, so have fun denying the real truth.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
Sonofason said:
Trump's mindset was that it was necessary to fight against terrorism. And in that context, fighting in Iraq would be necessary, but not necessarily against the nation of Iraq.
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The context was he wished we done it right the first time.

He does not go on to start speaking against it later, in fact in 2003 he actually praised the attack.
but even before the fact they’re obviously taking it a little bit for granted and it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint and I think this is really nothing compared to what you’re gonna see after the war is over. … I think Wall Street’s just gonna go up like a rocket, even beyond, and it’s gonna continue and, you know, we have a strong and powerful country and let’s hope it all works out.”
March 25, 2003: Trump is quoted in The Washington Post’s coverage of the
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Later in the year he said things about, he would fight terrorism just as hard alluding to the fact that he would attack a country just not necessarily Iraq, but then by December of 2003 he stated that we had to go in to find Sadam which he was clearly in favor of, he repeated, we had to find him, even while mentioning people started questioning US being in Iraq. Didn't really mention he opposed the actual going in but just said there was talk of opposition.

My main point being that Trump lies about being completely opposed. Him saying he made headlines being opposed are lies. Trump did mention in 2004 he would have done it differently, thats all.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
idav said:
The context was he wished we done it right the first time.

He does not go on to start speaking against it later, in fact in 2003 he actually praised the attack.


Later in the year he said things about, he would fight terrorism just as hard alluding to the fact that he would attack a country just not necessarily Iraq, but then by December of 2003 he stated that we had to go in to find Sadam which he was clearly in favor of, he repeated, we had to find him, even while mentioning people started questioning US being in Iraq. Didn't really mention he opposed the actual going in but just said there was talk of opposition.

My main point being that Trump lies about being completely opposed. Him saying he made headlines being opposed are lies. Trump did mention in 2004 he would have done it differently, thats all.
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You perceiving a lie does not make it a lie. Perceptions are flawed.
 
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