Debate 3

[Mindmaster]

Misquote? MISQUOTE??? You're just another Trump, not able to take responsibility for your words. Here's what you wrote>>>


Prove it or admit you're a liar. I mean, really prove it. You don't get to use the ultra right gossip mills as evidence.

But you can't and you won't. You're too much a Republican to be able to do this. You're all bluster and talk.

Yea, what I said was:

"She's probably the worst thing on this planet next to Soros. If we could get these two on a plane and shoot it down with a missile the world would experience something sort of like the Age of Enlightenment. It'd be amazing..."

I can't say what I'd have to say without breaking a few rules, so I'll keep it simple. Context is everything. It's obviously just fantasy, so why make more of it?

I can't use a "right" source, but you guys can use CNN. Come on, man, lol. Anyway, you just falled into another fallacy called a genetic fallacy, which is a weak ad hominem attack. You presume that because content comes from X person based on whatever criteria it is untrue. Whoever you applied that logic to, you failed. Each assertion stands on it's own relative merit as supported, by evidence, but you cannot reject evidence based on who it is from. You have to present contrasting evidence that disproves what you see as false not just come at the person personally.

Thinking is a lost Art.

 

[Scuba Pete]

but you cannot reject evidence based on who it is from.

Sure I can. I just did. Those are nothing but hearsay. Just because they state it, doesn't make it true. Just because you cite it doesn't make it true. You can appeal to authority all you want, and I reject your authority.

Yea, what I said was:

Exactly what I quoted. You can dance around it all you want. YOU WROTE IT and I QUOTED IT PRECISELY AS YOU WROTE IT. It's not my fault if you post something stupid and hateful. You say it was posted in jest, yet there were no smilies to indicate that at all. You should take a communications class, a logic class and even a creative writing class to correct these deficiencies.

 

[Notanumber]

Is this what you want in the USA?

Open borders, who needs them!

Anyone that wants to allow ISIS or their supporters into their country is committing potential suicide.

This is what Donald Trump wants to stop until they can figure out what is going on.

The trouble with Islamist suicide exponents is when they carry this out they like to take innocent bystanders with them.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Anyone that wants to allow ISIS or their supporters into their country is committing potential suicide.

Who wants to let Isis in? We just need to accomplish this without violating our constitution. If Trump gets in, you won't be such a "free man" anymore.

 

[idav]

Anyone that wants to allow ISIS or their supporters into their country is committing potential suicide.

This is what Donald Trump wants to stop until they can figure out what is going on.

The trouble with Islamist suicide exponents is when they carry this out they like to take innocent bystanders with them.

Whats funny is for all the accusations that Trump says about Hillary wanting an open door he said in the third Debate about Clinton supporting a wall (that she voted for something of the sort). None of the candidates want an open door its misinformation.

 

[idav]

You're not bigoted if they want to kill you, if you can explain why it''s OK for them to feel it's alright to kill people then maybe you have a point that someone is a bigot, or over-reacting. They want everyone in the USA dead or as slaves, so figure that out . However, it's in nearly every page of the Quran and it is a defect of the entire religion. It's not "peaceful" until it receives a reform:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

The people here are quick to make comments which argue with the facts, but offer no alternative solution. You can live in peace only if the company you keep is willing to work for it.

I said bigotry not Islamphobia. You say "Islam is bad" (in not so many words) while another Muslim Trump supporter claims its about the keeping "right" kind of Muslims out. I do constantly talk alternative solutions which have to do with fighting ignorance and getting liberal Muslims involved.

The way most followers of any religion fight seeming contradictions in text is by actually reading it in proper context. Believe it or not there are peaceful Muslims, even possible atheist Muslims. I've even seen a muslim scholar(had to be translated) argue atheism being ok in context of the quaran. There are verses in the quaran that teach tolerance and peace but its the Liberal Muslims which need to shed light on us non-mulsims, I can't fight the context for them, I'm not much of a quran reader but I've seen enough to realize there is much more to it than just labeling everyone as violent just for having a certain ideology.

 

[Riders]

There is literally no job that prepares you to be a President other than actually being the President. It's nothing like any other job, and no one can really fill those shoes 100%. Being in the military has no relevance, and neither does anything else you say. Was Ronald Reagan qualified? (actor) Was George Bush? (CIA goon) Was Bill Clinton? (Draft dodger.) Obama? (Never had a straight up job in his life, spent many years just drifting around and getting high. Got involved with radical community groups, and got involved in the Democratic party through them.)

The last three Presidents that had military service were: Reagan, G. H. Bush, and G. W. Bush. Republicans are more likely to serve, and the last Democrat was Jimmy Carter. If military service is important voting Democrat is sort of silly, but I find it notable besides Trump, Mitt Romney was the only other non-military candidate in recent history that became a Republican nominee.

Well let me explain a different way. If military experience isn't a require ment the then experience in politics is preferred.If you have experience running a political seat you've got ssome knowledgee of being president.Clinton hass tons off experience Trump kknows nothing about the military or running the Presidents job

 

[esmith]

Sense Trump doesn't even have the basic credentials to be president never been in the military and knows nothing about it I'm shocked beyond belief that Republicans chose Trump I first heard he was running I thought it was a joke laughed about it. I still think hes a joke.

Just what do you think the "credentials" to be President are? Try to be specific, that is if you can.
Oh by the way the Hillary has never been in the military either. What makes you assume that the Hillary knows any more about the military than Trump. Again, try to be specific.

 

[Akivah]

There is literally no job that prepares you to be a President other than actually being the President. It's nothing like any other job, ...

I disagree. Being Governor of a state is somewhat similar to being President.

Was Ronald Reagan qualified? (actor) Was George Bush? (CIA goon) Was Bill Clinton? (Draft dodger.)

Quoting just the first jobs that people have is deceptive.

Ronald Reagan was the governor of California from 1967-1975, serving two terms.
George Bush (II) was the governor of Texas from 1995-2000, being elected to a second term.
Bill Clinton was the elected Arkansas Attorney General from 1977-1979, and the Arkansas governor from 1979-1981 and 1983-1992.

 

[Notanumber]

Let’s hope the USA’s immigration policy is better than that of the UK.

These are some of the ‘children’ that have been allowed into England on humanitarian grounds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...face-recognition-software-child-migrants.html

The latest to arrive are now covering their heads.

 

[Sonofason]

Trump makes a much better anti-christ than Hillary. He's the only true atheist who has made it this close to being president.

Hillary Clinton, though she claims to be a Christian has a habit of lying to everyone about just about everything. The Bible tells us exactly how God feels about lies and those who commit lies.

"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish." (Proverbs 19:9)

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

"A faithful witness does not lie, but a false witness breathes out lies." (Proverbs 14:5)

Here is Jesus speaking to a group of liars claiming to be children of God..He said, "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44)

I assure you, true children of God do not lie; and if you do lie, you are no child of God. Indeed, you are anti-Christ.

Hillary Clinton, promotes and defends women who want to murder their own unborn children. Anyone who believes in the Bible knows very well that life in the womb is precious to God, and the shedding of innocent blood infuriates Him. Her promotion and defense of abortion is anti Christ.

Hillary Clinton defends and promotes the LGBTQ agenda, which is contrary to the edicts and commands of God. Those who engage and promote such actions are indeed anti-Christ.

On the other hand, Trump has not intentionally lied as far as I can tell. He may have said things that are untrue due to misinformation, but I see no evidence of Him knowingly telling any lies.

Trump is against the LGBTQ agenda which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.
Trump is against abortion which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.

So I thing you are wrong. But you knew that, didn't you.

 

[columbus]

On the other hand, Trump has not intentionally lied as far as I can tell.

He said he would release his tax returns. He said he couldn't do so because he was being audited.

Neither of these things are true.
Trump lies more often than most regular politicians and the evidence is out there for anyone to see. But the partisan political people prefer not to see the obvious, so they don't.
Tom

 

[idav]

Hillary Clinton, though she claims to be a Christian has a habit of lying to everyone about just about everything. The Bible tells us exactly how God feels about lies and those who commit lies.

Thing is Trump lies more than she does right on public television, so throw stones all you want.

Hillary Clinton, promotes and defends women who want to murder their own unborn children. Anyone who believes in the Bible knows very well that life in the womb is precious to God, and the shedding of innocent blood infuriates Him. Her promotion and defense of abortion is anti Christ.

I will give you that much, if your pro-life instead of pro-choice then a Hillary may not be for you. I wouldn't abort myself but would/have left it to the woman to make that choice for herself.

Hillary Clinton defends and promotes the LGBTQ agenda, which is contrary to the edicts and commands of God. Those who engage and promote such actions are indeed anti-Christ.

We both know jesus hasn't said anything about gay marraige. "he who is without sin"
I believe in freedom of people to make their own choices within certain boundaries and I certainly don't think people are harming others by marrying same sex or exercising their right to choose whether they become a parent or not.

On the other hand, Trump has not intentionally lied as far as I can tell. He may have said things that are untrue due to misinformation, but I see no evidence of Him knowingly telling any lies.

Being ignorant and spreading false information counts as lying. If he is simply ignorant doesn't make it much better but I doubt he's really that dumb. He slips up thats how we can tell.

Trump is against the LGBTQ agenda which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.
Trump is against abortion which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.

Yes we know. Women to and LGBT have rights to exercise their freedoms and religion needs to stay out of the law.

So I thing you are wrong. But you knew that, didn't you.

Yes but thought I would point out that as Trump being an atheist, technically Trump makes a better anti-christ because of being a false christian.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well let me explain a different way. If military experience isn't a require ment the then experience in politics is preferred.If you have experience running a political seat you've got ssome knowledgee of being president.Clinton hass tons off experience Trump kknows nothing about the military or running the Presidents job

The longer this campaign carries on, the more I wonder if he's ever actually ran his own businesses.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hillary Clinton defends and promotes the LGBTQ agenda, which is contrary to the edicts and commands of God. Those who engage and promote such actions are indeed anti-Christ.

So? We should care about your concerns, why?

 

[Sonofason]

At any given time, someone is always saying it's the end. But it never is.

Well, it is my view that the prophesy of Ezekial 38-39 is beginning to play out before our very eyes. All one needs to understand is that Gog is Putin, and Magog is Russia. Gog has moved his army into Syria. They are now only a stones throw from Israel.
It could not happen that Gog could come down into the region just north of Israel, to come up as they will against Israel, if Israel was not a nation. But Israel, a nation that had lain waste for thousands of years has risen from the dust, and has put forth tender branches and has become a nation once again. The end of days could not happen before this great and prophetic event of 1948, which was a fulfilling of the prophesy of Ezekiel 36-37.

I have many other reasons to believe what I believe. We live in unprecedented times. The word of God has been spread to the entire world. There has been an astronomical increase in knowledge over the past 150 years. The first coming of Christ was Prophesied by Daniel to the exact day. All that is happening in the world today is a fulfillment of biblical prophesies.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I do not believe that I am wrong. And so I intend on living my life as though Christ will come to receive His people at any moment. He said,
"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come...for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." I believe Him. I will be ready.

 

[Sonofason]

He said he would release his tax returns. He said he couldn't do so because he was being audited.

Neither of these things are true.
Trump lies more often than most regular politicians and the evidence is out there for anyone to see. But the partisan political people prefer not to see the obvious, so they don't.
Tom

He said he could not do so because he was being audited. He did not say he was not permitted to release his tax returns because he was being audited. It may very well be that he just won't do it. He can't do it. It may very well be his decision, and his words reflect that.

 

[columbus]

He said he could not do so because he was being audited. He did not say he was not permitted to release his tax returns because he was being audited. It may very well be that he just won't do it. He can't do it. It may very well be his decision, and his words reflect that.

He lies to the people he hopes will elect him and it is not working out well for him.

Any other questions?
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

Thing is Trump lies more than she does right on public television, so throw stones all you want.


I will give you that much, if your pro-life instead of pro-choice then a Hillary may not be for you. I wouldn't abort myself but would/have left it to the woman to make that choice for herself.


We both know jesus hasn't said anything about gay marraige. "he who is without sin"
I believe in freedom of people to make their own choices within certain boundaries and I certainly don't think people are harming others by marrying same sex or exercising their right to choose whether they become a parent or not.


Being ignorant and spreading false information counts as lying. If he is simply ignorant doesn't make it much better but I doubt he's really that dumb. He slips up thats how we can tell.

Yes we know. Women to and LGBT have rights to exercise their freedoms and religion needs to stay out of the law.

Yes but thought I would point out that as Trump being an atheist, technically Trump makes a better anti-christ because of being a false christian.

I seriously doubt that Trump is an atheist. I'd like to see your evidence. Did he say he was an atheist? Show me the video where he says that no God exists.

God gave Moses commandments, all of them...including the laws of Moses that we find in Leviticus. Jesus stated that not one jot or one tittle shall be removed from the law until all things are accomplished. Therefore, Jesus stands by the commandments that Moses wrote. Which means that Jesus knows very well that homosexuality is sin, and again, so do you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump is against the LGBTQ agenda which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.
Trump is against abortion which is in line with Biblical and Christian views.

That makes me so much happier to know there is a very good possibility of Hillary being the next president, swinging the Supreme Court to the Left, and doing away with "Biblical law" as state legislation so I can go pee and get on with my life.