Defend Marriage Between a Man and a Woman!

[nnmartin]

So a heterosexual couple that is unable to have children is unnatural?

natural but defective, there is a difference.

 

[nnmartin]

do you really believe that an orphanage is better for a child that two loving gay parents with good economical and emotional stability?

or how about another set of options:

which would be better, orphanage or brought up on Martin's ranch?

 

[nnmartin]

I'm still wanting to know what any of this stuff about raising or having children has to do with the legal institution of marriage. One does not require the other in either direction, so why are people even trying to link them?

because that is what marriage should be about.

Get married to raise a family, or just remain boy/girlfriend.

That's far more sensible.

 

[nnmartin]

Because it's a ruse to cover up homophobia.

That is not true at all.

I am not homophobic, my gripe is with the concept of marriage itself - even with hetero couples in many cases.

 

[Me Myself]

that may be true, but they cannot naturally produce children together.

They don't need to produce children to take care of children.

 

[tumbleweed41]

natural but defective, there is a difference.

Defective.
Nice.



Get back to me when you get some real life experience.

 

[Me Myself]

or how about another set of options:

which would be better, orphanage or brought up on Martin's ranch?

I don't know what martin's range is. I put the optins I put, because those are real options today.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I'll put it a different way. I think what I perceive as a closed mind is really a hardened heart. I'm not sure any scientific study in the world can penetrate such a heart

Much like those who have hardened their heart against the LGBT community?

 

[Me Myself]

I'll put it a different way. I think what I perceive as a closed mind is really a hardened heart. I'm not sure any scientific study in the world can penetrate such a heart

Hardenings and penetrations aside,

Two gay man or two gay women with good emotional and economical stability are better to take care of a child than an orphanage.

 

[nnmartin]

how about two gay men/women compared to a hetero couple;

who should get the first choice here?

 

[Me Myself]

how about two gay men/women compared to a hetero couple;

who should get the first choice here?

Depends. There are checks regarding the economic stability of the couples and the emotional stability of the couples. Then there is who the kids prefer.

They do have a (very important) voice in it.

 

[McBell]

how about two gay men/women compared to a hetero couple;

who should get the first choice here?

The ones who would better provide for the child.
And no, being homo or hetero has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[tumbleweed41]

how about two gay men/women compared to a hetero couple;

who should get the first choice here?

The sexuality of the couple should not be an issue.
At that point, it becomes an issue of who is best prepared to raise a child.
Although, Gay and Lesbian couples may in fact be better prepared to care for a child.

•LGBT parents can relate to adopted children’s feelings of differentness
•Adoption decision is very intentional by LGBT parents
•For LGBT families, adoption is their first choice
•LGBT parents are more resourceful/know where to find help
•Are more aware of support systems
•Can expose children to a diverse world and unique people
http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/socwork/.../Workshop K-Barriers facing LGBT families.pdf

Also, Gay and Lesbian couples are more likely to adopt special needs children.

 

[nnmartin]

Mestemia:

what kind of nonsense is that?

of course it has something to do with it, in fact it is the most relevant factor of them all.

Let's say the economic situations of the two prospective couples were the same, then who should get the kid?

 

[Me Myself]

Also, Gay and Lesbian couples are more likely to adopt special needs children.

And love them for whom they are. This makes all the difference.

 

[Me Myself]

Mestemia:

what kind of nonsense is that?

of course it has something to do with it, in fact it is the most relevant factor of them all.

Let's say the economic situations of the two prospective couples were the same, then who should get the kid?

emotional factors come in. If the heterosexual couple has a history of violence, or inestability in the relationship, etc, then the homosexual couple will be ahead.

If the homosexual couple has been together longer and have a good history of healthy relationships, they are again ahead.

the people who want to adopt take a series of emotional inteligence tests to see how they deal with stress, anger, difficulties, etc. This will be taken in consideration.

 

[nnmartin]

let's say then, for the sake of argument, that both couples were exactly the same in every way.

Then who should get first choice of adopting the child?

 

[Me Myself]

let's say then, for the sake of argument, that both couples were exactly the same in every way.

Then who should get first choice of adopting the child?

Child chooses, or whoever got first?

 

[nnmartin]

ok, so who would help the child to choose?

 

[tumbleweed41]

ok, so who would help the child to choose?

Hopefully someone without bias and bigotry.