Well for that I am grateful. I wish all women in your religion could say that though. Out of curiosity, doesn't the plight of some Islamic women bother you?As a matter of fact, Islam treats me very well.
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Did God say that?! I Rape in the bible
- Thread starter Zhakir
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It does, and the only way to fix this is to follow the teachings of Islam. Raising the Islamic awareness among Muslims is the only solution for our problems.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yet another straw man. The Bible was never intended to be only the teaching of God. it is also the witness of God's faithful people. Sometimes we get it wrong. Sometimes we tell stories about the Faith that are not necessarily historically accurate, just in order to drive a point home. I can't help it if the Koran presents differently. (Hint: That's why the Bible is the Bible and the Koran is the Koran: they present differently.) Don't try to "remake" the Bible into a "koran-clone."
I will shout from the rooftops that rape is not a God-teaching. I will also shout that it is found in the Bible. Illness and death are found in the Bible too, as well as demon possession. Doesn't mean that those things are "God-teachings."
Haven't you beat this poor, dead horse long enough, for crying out loud?!
Well it is my opinion that all religions when formed were meant to uplift and guide us towards treating each other better. Unfortunately they have all been interpreted in less than desireable ways.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I am not here to defend anyone, just to point out what is so wrong with your first post. YOU think again, you need to look at religions at their modern state, not a two thousand year old one. I can't prove it, but you can't prove that they still do it. I think most people would agree with me.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
It's such a shame that some of us still follow those silly old traditions.
Alceste
Vagabond
Secularists give money to charity too. So what in the concept if "giving" do you consider to be "religion-inspired"? I mean, we don't need religion in order to be charitable. So, I stand my my point - Abrahamic religions have no (observable) beneficial effect on human behavior.
I'm not trying to advance secular dogma here either. Jainism has a beneficial effect, Buddhism has a beneficial effect, Taoism (if practiced rather than simply contemplated) has a beneficial effect.
Judaism, Islam and Christianity? Mostly no effect, and sometimes a negative effect. Abrahamic adherents are always so busy killing each other for God they don't stop to wonder if maybe they all worship the same God. I mean, your religions are almost identical, but THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE! Right? Yours is not a problem shared by polytheists, pagans, shamans, atheists and enlightenment-seekers. We all get along pretty well.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I think it mostly has to do with culture. Though religion and culture are two separate things, sometimes it seems hard to see that. Because they both play a big part on each other.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
not4me said:As a matter of fact, Islam treats me very well.
Islam treats me well too
I am so grateful to God for that!!Indeed, Alhamdulillah for the bounty of Islam!Islam treats me well too
porkchop
I'm Heffer!!!
Ok, so you respect Jesus but don't believe what was wriitten about Him in the Bible, only whats wriiten in the koran? Is that right?
Don't quite get what your next point is,but i can tell you i believe the Bible to be the Word of God and Jesus to be be our only hope of salvation.
I am sorry you feel so angrily about it all.
God bless.
I am so glad it also treats you well. My heart goes out to the suppressed or abused women in this world. Those who are treated well are so very lucky!Islam treats me well too
Buttons*
Glass half Panda'd
It's actually about how the Bible couldn't possibly be true, because there's no way a benevolent God would be ok with things that are said in the Bible. The reason other countries are now involved in the discussion is because many people who are Christian and Jewish don't actually participate in any of the things that Zhakir discusses. However, in Islamic countries, it tends to be the case that there are many more injustices to women etc. while there is nothing in the Qur'an that is OK with this behavior.
So there's the issue. Do we want to say it's terrible for the Bible to discuss these issues, yet Christians not act on them? Or do we think it's better to embrace the Qur'an and act unlike the Qur'an dictates and hurt women needlessly? Either way, we can't throw stones. Zhakir was trying to throw stones on the Bible, but the thing is, he really can't without getting himself into a lot of double standards.
Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
Well, It is right that people don't accept such terrible things in the Bible, that's why, IMO Zhakir is discussing it, to say that Allah SWT (God) will never command people to do such awful acts, and the conclusion is that the Bible is not the word of God.
Furthermore, I'm sure that there is no Muslim member on RF accepts such terrible acts in Muslim countries, because as you said they are acting unlike the Quran teachings. And that's what not4me, Peace, and Zhaikr are saying here. That those awful cases have nothing to do with Islam, really If Muslims practiced Islam as it is, there would be no such acts against women. Unlike Christians, if they practised what is in their Bible, there would be more troubles IMO.
linwood
Well-Known Member
You can see how this is difficult for a non-Muslim to believe considering these things are sanctioned only in Muslim nations by people who claim to be Muslim.
Sanctioned by those who are heralded as Muslim scholars.
This whole phenomenon is very suspicious to a non-Muslim.
Someone isn`t telling the truth and it is difficult to see who that someone is from a non-Muslim perspective.
Yes, it definitely confuses me! Many in positions of power say they are god fearing muslims and yet they condone these things. Where does that come from?
No matter what, this will not convince them sis because in their minds, Somalia the most unstable country in the world is Islam. Islam is not the Qur'an and the Sunnah, this is only propaganda that we try to spread, the truth is that Islam is Somalia and Somalia is Islam...
linwood
Well-Known Member
No matter what, this will not convince them sis because in their minds, Somalia the most unstable country in the world is Islam. Islam is not the Qur'an and the Sunnah, this is only propaganda that we try to spread, the truth is that Islam is Somalia and Somalia is Islam...
It`s because you`re not saying anything.
You`re simply repeating over and over "It`s not Islam, It`s not Islam, It`s not Islam"
Yet a large percentage of Muslims obviously believe it is Islam.
Why believe you over those Muslims when the Islam they speak of can be evidenced in the material world?
If you had something to say besides.."It`s not Islam, It`s not Islam, It`s not Islam".. maybe we could have a discussion.
Also, it`s not just Somalia it`s every Muslim nation in the world that I can think of, every one.
Turkey seems the most advanced but they also at times look like they`re having a damn hard time holding onto their secularism.
It`s not "In our minds" it`s in our world and we want to know why.