Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[Sleeppy]

not until you answer my question...

Education, Ignorance, Innovation, Reversion.. Society, Independence, Language, Entertainment, Humor, Professionalism, Manipulation, War, Peace, Love, Hate, Destruction, Production, Greed, Charity, Disease, Health, Medicine, Sexuality, Sexual Immorality, Death, Life, Leaders, Followers, Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

[waitasec]

Education, Ignorance, Innovation, Reversion.. Society, Independence, Language, Entertainment, Humor, Professionalism, Manipulation, War, Peace, Love, Hate, Destruction, Production, Greed, Charity, Disease, Health, Medicine, Sexuality, Sexual Immorality, Death, Life, Leaders, Followers, Etc. Etc. Etc.

what i highlighted in red are not mistakes...

the rest are tied to what i mentioned earlier....
religion and power.

now to answer your question...

Can you name any that have disappeared?

the understanding/evolution of human rights have helped curb religion and the greed of power...as religion and the greed for power is still prevalent today

 

[Sleeppy]

what i highlighted in red are not mistakes...

the rest are tied to what i mentioned earlier....
religion and power.

They can be.

now to answer your question...
the understanding/evolution of human rights.

That's definitely false. I've heard so much about empirical evidence, go on and provide it.

 

[waitasec]

They can be.

how can education be a mistake?

That's definitely false. I've heard so much about empirical evidence, go on and provide it.

you didn't get my entire reply as i was editing it after i hit the 'submit reply' button

the understanding/evolution of human rights have helped curb religion and the greed of power...as religion and the greed for power is still prevalent today

 

[Sleeppy]

how can education be a mistake?

I was referring to the second line there.. Can be tied to.

But education can be a mistake if it is wrong, or is/becomes inconvenient, etc.

you didn't get my entire reply as i was editing it after i hit the 'submit reply' button

the understanding/evolution of human rights have helped curb religion and the greed of power...as religion and the greed for power is still prevalent today

What human right do you know of, that is a result of this "evolution"?

 

[waitasec]

I was referring to the second line there.. Can be tied to.

oh i see.

But education can be a mistake if it is wrong, or is/becomes inconvenient, etc.

that is called indoctrination

What human right do you know of, that is a result of this "evolution"?

no silly, the evolution of our understanding of human rights...not evolution.

 

[Sleeppy]

that is called indoctrination

It's inconvenient to sit down and learn what you don't intend to use, or learn in a way which is somewhat or largely ineffective.

no silly, the evolution of our understanding of human rights...not evolution.

I know what you meant, I was just using your words. Reread it without thinking I misunderstood your use of evolution.

 

[waitasec]

It's inconvenient to sit down and learn what you don't intend to use, or learn in a way which is somewhat or largely ineffective.

the undue importance we have given to the idea of convenience is a mistake.

I know what you meant, I was just using your words. Reread it without thinking I misunderstood your use of evolution.

are you serious?
equality for women for starters...

 

[sojourner]

Surely your answer would be "No".
Were you not the ones who wanted Jesus dead?

:redcard:

That was bad form and uncalled for.

 

[Sleeppy]

the undue importance we have given to the idea of convenience is a mistake.

And why is it undue?

are you serious?
equality for women for starters...

At least one queen ruled over Egypt.. And I'm sure if I did a Google search right now, I would find mention of past societies where women's rights were comparable to those you speak of.

 

[waitasec]

And why is it undue?

convenience is overrated...

At least one queen ruled over Egypt.. And I'm sure if I did a Google search right now, I would find mention of past societies where women's rights were comparable to those you speak of.

so your point is that women have had equal rights all along and equality hasn't evolved for them...


oookay.

 

[Sleeppy]

convenience is overrated...

Why?

so your point is that women have had equal rights all along and equality hasn't evolved for them...


oookay.

Remember what you were arguing for. It started with my statement, "history repeats itself." You gave two repetitions and asked if there were more. I stated that they looked to be all there, giving you a short list. One of those words in the list was "reversion."

 

[waitasec]

Why?

because one misses out on life lessons...

no pain no gain.

Remember what you were arguing for. It started with my statement, "history repeats itself." You gave two repetitions and asked if there were more. I stated that they looked to be all there, giving you a list. One of those words in the list was "reversion."

i am aware of that...and they can be related to religion the the greed for power... what was highlighted in red however, are not mistakes...education is not a mistake...reversion is

 

[EnochSDP]

God created adam and eve and told them what was holy and what wasnt.Adam and eve were perfect and all man was suppose to be.but a creture threw our of heaven tempted them to know things they wasnt suppose to know and God warned them.you eat you shall surely die.not a physical death.the death refered is death in spirit.God can not be amoungst sin and adam and eve were now sinners and God could not walk with them.That is why the law was established to sacrifice only pure blood animals (red hefer)so that would cleanse man so God could fellowship with him.So the reason Jesus died was to permeniately cleanse all who accepted him without sacrifice, he was the ultimate sacrifice for he was the creator that chose to sacrifice himself.what other sacrifice was greater?God chose to humble himself and be sacrificed for man.Jesus was not a man by spirit but by flesh.God didnt have to do it this way but God being all knowing knew this was the right way for his purpose.We are here for God's purpose from the beginning till now.the difference is one man ,Adam, chose to disconnect from God and it was inheirited through all men.And Jesus came to rid man of that sin.

 

[Sleeppy]

because one misses out on life lessons...

no pain no gain.

In certain instances. But if gain was more convenient, then what?

i am aware of that...and they can be related to religion the the greed for power...

Not all of them.

what was highlighted in red however, are not mistakes...education is not a mistake...reversion is

Reversion isn't always a mistake. It can go either way.

 

[waitasec]

In certain instances. But if gain was more convenient, then what?

huh?

Not all of them.

the mistakes that keep repeating
seem to have something to do with religion and the greed for power.

Reversion isn't always a mistake. It can go either way.

progress is not reversion...
think of an upward spiral

 

[Sleeppy]

huh?

You said, "no pain, no gain."

So, I'm saying.. What if gain can be more convenient than dealing with pain? Convenience doesn't seem so overrated then. Right?

the mistakes that keep repeating
seem to have something to do with religion and the greed for power.

They seem to have to do with ignorance, carelessness.. lack.

progress is not reversion...
think of an upward spiral

When I use a word, I'm usually using the dictionary definition.

 

[tempter]

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

God did this because God's man made and that's the best concept man could come up with. :yes:

 

[EnochSDP]

God did this because God's man made and that's the best concept man could come up with. :yes:

Jesus did not have to die.He chose to because that was the only way for all men to be saved.note:until then unless you was jew or lived amoungst jews you was destined to hell.that is why Jesus had tyo sacrifice himself to shed blood for all sins.
How can people claim we have so much knowledge to defute God and be smarter than acients, when the acients had more knowledge than we, in building and math and the solar system?

 

[Thief]

Jesus did not have to die.He chose to because that was the only way for all men to be saved.note:until then unless you was jew or lived amoungst jews you was destined to hell.that is why Jesus had tyo sacrifice himself to shed blood for all sins.
How can people claim we have so much knowledge to defute God and be smarter than acients, when the acients had more knowledge than we, in building and math and the solar system?

I see by your title and post....you lean to Christian rant.
That's fine...good for you....

But you can see for length of this thread....there's plenty of nay saying to be done.

And nay... He did not die for our sins. He died because of them.
He died under false accusation...'king of the Jews'.

He died because His ministry was coming to an end....with nowhere to run.

Did your sinful nature die with Him?...nay.
Will you still be held accountable for what you say and do?....yeah.

Of Himself He did say...'brother and fellow servant'.
The real question will be when you meet Him face to face....
Will He say it again?...to you?