Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[1robin]

To be clear, you ARE talking about the god of Abraham?

Yes. All your claims were obviously biblicly (is that spelled right, it looks retarded) specific or at least seemed to be.

 

[Jacksnyte]

Yes. All your claims were obviously biblicly (is that spelled right, it looks retarded) specific or at least seemed to be.

Yes, primarily Biblical.

 

[1robin]

Yes, primarily Biblical.

And so??????????

 

[Sleeppy]

experience...empirical evidence

so, how do you know it's the last piece of the puzzle?

There you go.

how do you know it's a puzzle?

It's a 'puzzle' for the same reason there are these questions, e.g., the OP's.

 

[Sleeppy]

if you believe that sort of thing...

Then?

 

[waitasec]

There you go.

are you telling me you empirically witnessed or experienced the events in genesis?

It's a 'puzzle' for the same reason there are these questions, e.g., the OP's.

real pieces make a real puzzle
not questions, they point in all directions

 

[Sleeppy]

are you telling me you empirically witnessed or experienced the events in genesis?

Would you ask a historian if they've witnessed or experienced something before their time?

real pieces make a real puzzle
not questions, they point in all directions

I'm using the dictionary definition of "puzzle." What do you mean?

 

[waitasec]

Would you ask a historian if they've witnessed or experienced something before their time?

a historian will gather up empirical evidence or gather
more than one source to confirm any claims...

I'm using the dictionary definition of "puzzle." What do you mean?

is it the definition for a 3D puzzle?

 

[Sleeppy]

a historian will gather up empirical evidence or gather more than one source to confirm any claims...

is it the definition for a 3D puzzle?

I don't know each historian's methods. Maybe so. Sounds like a good idea. But, I still don't think a historian could witness or experience anything before their time, though.. Unless it was still occurring in some fashion. I have heard that history repeats itself.

 

[sojourner]

Then?

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone who's paying attention to the questions that are still being asked, and a social climate that's still dealing with reconciling people to each other, that it's not the last word. It just can't be explained away like that without asking some tough questions and raising some tough issues.

 

[Sleeppy]

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone who's paying attention to the questions that are still being asked, and a social climate that's still dealing with reconciling people to each other, that it's not the last word. It just can't be explained away like that without asking some tough questions and raising some tough issues.

What can't be explained away?

 

[sojourner]

What can't be explained away?

the dilemma that the last piece has been provided, yet the world is not whole.

 

[Sleeppy]

the dilemma that the last piece has been provided, yet the world is not whole.

I chose my wording pretty carefully, I don't think you understood exactly what I was referring to.

 

[sojourner]

I chose my wording pretty carefully, I don't think you understood exactly what I was referring to.

Perhaps you'd better explain it again. It's late, I'm sleepy, I've been dealing with social justice issues all day, and I got stopped at a sobriety check point a little while ago. :drunk:

 

[waitasec]

I don't know each historian's methods. Maybe so. Sounds like a good idea. But, I still don't think a historian could witness or experience anything before their time, though..

having more then 1 source helps to determine/confirm if something that was claimed to have occurred actually occurred.

Unless it was still occurring in some fashion. I have heard that history repeats itself.

history repeats itself when we don't learn from the past...
i see a few common denominators throughout history, guess what they are...?

religion and the desire of power

 

[Sleeppy]

having more then 1 source helps to determine/confirm if something that was claimed to have occurred actually occurred.

Yea, sure.

history repeats itself when we don't learn from the past...
i see a few common denominators throughout history, guess what they are...?

religion and the desire of power

That's pretty picky.

 

[Dan4reason]

And so??????????

Numbers 15:32-36

King James Version (KJV)

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.


I have doubts over whether God is good.

 

[waitasec]

That's pretty picky.

but it's true.

can you give me another common factor that has been predominant in throughout history?

 

[Sleeppy]

but it's true.

can you give me another common factor that has been predominant in throughout history?

There's so many, I honestly have a hard time picking one.. And they look to be all there. Can you name any that have disappeared?

 

[waitasec]

There's so many, I honestly have a hard time picking one.. And they look to be all there. Can you name any that have disappeared?

not until you answer my question...