Did Jesus say he was God???

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1 Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.”

God is not a man, but Jesus, may the blessing and mercy of God be upon
him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God.
2 . The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man​

Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…”
3 . The Bible says that Jesus Denied He is God​

Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”​

4 . The Bible says that God is Greater than Jesus​

John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”
5 Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only​

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1. God is a spirit John 4:16. It is the spirit of man that dwells within man and the spirit of God that dwells within Jesus.

2. This falls within the same context as 1.

3. Your reasoning is false; Jesus did not deny being good but only asked the person why he was calling him good since God is the only one who is good. If Jesus is good then he is God. Jesus never sinned so the logical conclusion is that He is God and good.

4. The omnipresence of God is a greater concept than God in a body but God is one everywhere.

5. This is the null hypothesis which is rarely valid. You speculate that the reason for the lack of a requirement to worship is that Jesus isn't God but there could be other valid reasons and speculation isn't proof.

6. Prayer to God does not necessitate separate entities. It is a simple matter of speaking to Himself something anyone is able to do.

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Sura 3:50 "’I have come to you, to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was Before forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

Who else would one be required to obey besides God.
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[Muffled]

Yes, this is referred to theologically as the Hypostatic Union.

The fact that most persons believe something doesn't make it true. There was a time when the majority of people believed the world was flat.

The Biblical facts don't support that theology.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

1. God is a spirit John 4:16. It is the spirit of man that dwells within man and the spirit of God that dwells within Jesus

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The "spirit" in Yeshua was not exclusive to him but even so, the spirit in Yeshua does not make him "God" nor is it evidence of such considering the following.

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:67
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:

6. Prayer to God does not necessitate separate entities. It is a simple matter of speaking to Himself something anyone is able to do.

Nonsense. No one in that day in time ever believed this.

PS: [/left]
Sura 3:50 "’I have come to you, to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was Before forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

Who else would one be required to obey besides God.

He wanted them to "listen" to what he was trying to tell them. Your Tafsir is inaccurate. Like the bible, you can't just pull quotes out thinking it proves your point. You've showed an uncanny ability to now misrepresent a scripture which you seem to show very little knowledge of. Sura 3:50 is not what you're making it out to be.

Arberry (Translation)
Sura 3:50-52

Likewise confirming the truth of the Torah that is before me, and to make lawful to you certain things that before were forbidden unto you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear you God, and obey you me. Surely God is my Lord and your Lord; so serve Him. This is a straight path".' And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said, 'Who will be my helpers unto God?' The Apostles said, 'We will be helpers of God; we believe in God; witness thou our submission*.

Note: The word at the end of that verse is (muslimoona) and should be taken as they submitted to Isa (Yeshua). This becomes evident when reading the verses after this one.

 

[Midnight Pete]

The fact that most persons believe something doesn't make it true. There was a time when the majority of people believed the world was flat.

The Biblical facts don't support that theology.

Yes they do. In fact, the divinity of Jesus is what Christianity is founded on. The divinity of Jesus is what makes it work. And what has this got to with the world being flat?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Because Jesus had a pre-human existence as being the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev 3v14 B, then Jesus is divine but no where is Jesus referred to as being the "Almighty" God.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Because Jesus had a pre-human existence as being the beginning of the creation by God according to Rev 3v14 B, then Jesus is divine but no where is Jesus referred to as being the "Almighty" God.

Exactly....and this is why I've constantly said in this thread that divine and deity are two different things.:clap

 

[Dirty Penguin]

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The "spirit" in Yeshua was not exclusive to him but even so, the spirit in Yeshua does not make him "God" nor is it evidence of such considering the following.

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:67
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:



Nonsense. No one in that day in time ever believed this.




He wanted them to "listen" to what he was trying to tell them. Your Tafsir is inaccurate. Like the bible, you can't just pull quotes out thinking it proves your point. You've showed an uncanny ability to now misrepresent a scripture which you seem to show very little knowledge of. Sura 3:50 is not what you're making it out to be.

Arberry (Translation)
Sura 3:50-52

Likewise confirming the truth of the Torah that is before me, and to make lawful to you certain things that before were forbidden unto you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear you God, and obey you me. Surely God is my Lord and your Lord; so serve Him. This is a straight path".' And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said, 'Who will be my helpers unto God?' The Apostles said, 'We will be helpers of God; we believe in God; witness thou our submission*.

Note: The word at the end of that verse is (muslimoona) and should be taken as they submitted to Isa (Yeshua). This becomes evident when reading the verses after this one.

Correction:
The word at the end of that verse is (muslimoona) and should NOT be taken as they submitted to Isa (Yeshua). This becomes evident when reading the verses after this one.

 

[Muffled]

Yes they do. In fact, the divinity of Jesus is what Christianity is founded on. The divinity of Jesus is what makes it work. And what has this got to with the world being flat?

It depends on what you are talking about. If you are talking about the intelligence of God, 100% of that is present in Jesus but if you are talking spatiality, Jesus is only a small instance in the omnipresence of God.

 

[Muffled]

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The "spirit" in Yeshua was not exclusive to him but even so, the spirit in Yeshua does not make him "God" nor is it evidence of such considering the following.

There is no evidence that the Spirit of God is sharing the body of Jesus with a human spirit. The evidence is that Jesus is without sin and every human spirit sins.

Everyone is known by their spirit because it is the only lasting part of a person. The physical body dies and only the spirit is left. Therefore Jesus is known as God because the Spirit of God is the spirit in Jesus.

 

[Midnight Pete]

It depends on what you are talking about. If you are talking about the intelligence of God, 100% of that is present in Jesus but if you are talking spatiality, Jesus is only a small instance in the omnipresence of God.

Pre-human Jesus is the eternal Word/Logos, the eternal 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity. Jesus as human being denotes the Holy Trinity no more than Bill Gates denotes the IBM Corporation.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is no evidence that the Spirit of God is sharing the body of Jesus with a human spirit. The evidence is that Jesus is without sin and every human spirit sins.
Everyone is known by their spirit because it is the only lasting part of a person. The physical body dies and only the spirit is left. Therefore Jesus is known as God because the Spirit of God is the spirit in Jesus.

Where is Adam's spirit?
Adam did not exist before he received the breath of life and became a living soul [Gen 2v7]. At death Adam became a dead soul or person.
Kind of like a light bulb being shut off from its power or electrical 'spirit' current.
Once Adam sinned he was 'unplugged' from his source or power and like an unplugged fan slowly wound down to death or non-existence.
-Ecc 3vs19-21

If a person is not destroyed [Isaiah 11v4; Rev 19vs11,14,15;Psalm 92v7]
then upon being resurrected one's spirit or life force will be returned.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

There is no evidence that the Spirit of God is sharing the body of Jesus with a human spirit............

Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me;
nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."


Joh 4:34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent
me, and to accomplish his work.


Joh 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment
is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the
Father who sent Me.


Joh 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me.


Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His
who sent Me.


Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me,
for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord,
but he sent me.


John 8:50 "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.


Joh 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word
which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.


So no. Your very own Yeshua does not agree with your assertion. The biblical Yeshua showed throughout your bible he and his god were not one in the same rather they were completely separate.

Everyone is known by their spirit because it is the only lasting part of a person. The physical body dies and only the spirit is left. Therefore Jesus is known as God because the Spirit of God is the spirit in Jesus.

Look, I'm not sure what you're going on about....I just gave you the quotes about the "Spirit of God" in others as it was in the Yeshua in my previous post. I didn't say it....your bible said it. Check the quotes from your biblical Yeshua. I didn't say it...he said it....

 

[Muffled]

Pre-human Jesus is the eternal Word/Logos, the eternal 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity. Jesus as human being denotes the Holy Trinity no more than Bill Gates denotes the IBM Corporation.

You are attempting to personify an attribute of God. The only thing that can be pre-human is a spirit and if you are saying there is more than one spirit then you are stating things in opposition to what the Bible says ie Eph 4:4 There is one spirit.

 

[Midnight Pete]

You are attempting to personify an attribute of God. The only thing that can be pre-human is a spirit and if you are saying there is more than one spirit then you are stating things in opposition to what the Bible says ie Eph 4:4 There is one spirit.

There is a triune Godhead in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[look3467]

quote=Midnight Pete;2179306]There is a triune Godhead in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[/quote]

One spirit? Of one spirit? The self same spirit? There is only one spirit and that being the spirit of God.

Of one spirit simply means the source by which you and I can have communion, God being that spirit.
Though we are different spirits individually, we can be of the same spirit of God, meaning in the likeness of His image.

If you look at the bible from cover to cover, you will see all three entities, as one, being represented according to its administration.

1. The Father spirit is God in the creation process. (Creation)
2. The Son spirit is God representing the flesh as flesh. (Established)
3. Holy Spirit spirit is God's omnipresence. (Brought to pass)

God presents, establishes it, and then brings it to pass.

These are three established procedures of God in the bible, look for them.

I.e. Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.


Now, argue the trinity all one wants, the fact remains that the spirit of God is but only one!

We either are one in spirit with Him or else we are separate from Him as individual gods, as it were from the beginning.

In the Case of Jesus, the full authority of the spirit of God rested on Him like no other in human history.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If Jesus, as a a mere man said those words, then he would have blasphemed.
But as God, fully vested with the power of God as God, Jesus said that even if He departed, He would alway, (Meaning all the way) be with us in Spirit.

It is one thing to having accused Jesus as a blasphemer and another thing for just any man to say "I will be with you alway", because if a man did that, that would constitute being a blasphemer.

Jesus was accused as a blasphemer by man for claiming being one with the Father, making it in man's eyes, equal with the Father.

Of which Jesus was no blasphemer, but indeed, the God who taketh away the sin of the world.

Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

So dear friends, accept it or not, you are part of the "whole world" of which Jesus became the appropriation for your sins!

That, regardless of belief, can be of surety, relied on, trusted and given whole to Him.

Blessings, AJ

 

[Muffled]

There is a triune Godhead in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

That is blasphemy. It is tantamount to saying thee are three Gods. There is one God manifested as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However that is an argument for a trinity string not this one.

 

[Muffled]

quote=Midnight Pete;2179306]There is a triune Godhead in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

One spirit? Of one spirit? The self same spirit? There is only one spirit and that being the spirit of God.

Of one spirit simply means the source by which you and I can have communion, God being that spirit.
Though we are different spirits individually, we can be of the same spirit of God, meaning in the likeness of His image.

If you look at the bible from cover to cover, you will see all three entities, as one, being represented according to its administration.

1. The Father spirit is God in the creation process. (Creation)
2. The Son spirit is God representing the flesh as flesh. (Established)
3. Holy Spirit spirit is God's omnipresence. (Brought to pass)

Now, argue the trinity all one wants, the fact remains that the spirit of God is but only one!

We either are one in spirit with Him or else we are separate from Him as individual gods, as it were from the beginning.

In the Case of Jesus, the full authority of the spirit of God rested on Him like no other in human history.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If Jesus, as a a mere man said those words, then he would have blasphemed.
But as God, fully vested with the power of God as God, Jesus said that even if He departed, He would alway, (Meaning all the way) be with us in Spirit.

It is one thing to having accused Jesus as a blasphemer and another thing for just any man to say "I will be with you alway", because if a man did that, that would constitute being a blasphemer.

Jesus was accused as a blasphemer by man for claiming being one with the Father, making it in man's eyes, equal with the Father.

Of which Jesus was no blasphemer, but indeed, the God who taketh away the sin of the world.

Blessings, AJ
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This from Webster's dictionary.

en·ti·ty

noun \ˈen-tə-tē, ˈe-nə-\
plural en·ti·ties
Definition of ENTITY

1
a : being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence b : the existence of a thing as contrasted with its attributes



A claim that God is three entities is a claim for three Gods. All three members of the Trinity are God and not separate entities.

1. God is in the creation process so all members of the Trinity are in the creation process.

2. I have no idea what you are trying to say in this statement.

3. God is omnipresent. It is one of His attributes. No doubt The Holy Spirit exemplifies that attribute well but The Fathe and Jesus also reveal this attribut in their actions.

I find it a wonder that Paul is using the term Godhead instead of God. However Jesus is telling me it is because Jesus does not reveal the whole of God spatially but He does have all the intellectual abilities. Godmind would have been a more appropriate a term.

 

[look3467]

Muffled

It may be hard for you to understand that God can manifest Himself to us anyway He wants.
Case in point: Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ***, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Suppose ye that the *** spoke of it's own will, or was it God speaking through the ***?

Having given that example, God can be anything He wants.

Now, Jesus, had a specific mission to accomplish. Yet, Jesus alone as a human could not accomplish it alone without the full authority and power of God.

Meaning, that if Jesus was to deliver the world back to God, then God must be the one to do it and not mankind.

Had mankind have the power to deliver self to God, then there would be room for mankind to gloat of it's own righteousness.

Only God, who is the creator, could deliver it's own creation saved from it's lost condition.

Therefore, my friend, we can see God in three distinct administrative positions.
1. Creator (Father) 2. Re-creator (Son) 3. Comforter (Holy Spirit)

Self same spirit, same one God, yet for the purposes of administration in the affairs of mankind, God choose to accomplish His work as just described.

It is no real mystery. If you believe in Jesus, you believe in God!

If you believe in God, yet having trouble believing in Jesus as God, then you are just one step short of a true experience.

If the Holy Spirit (God's spirit) tug's at your heart's strings, then you are touched by the self same spirit of Christ and of God.

Mankind can call anything it does not understand as blasphemous.

Did not the Pharisees and Sadducee's condemn Jesus for blasphemy?

You might want to look into the reasons why?

Blessings, AJ

 

[Malkut Yehudah]

The title of God is “YHVH,” and the name of The God of Abraham is “Al-HaYim.” Elohim is the name of the Canaanite gods the angels.
　
The Canaanites using the name of their gods as “Elohim” (in place of Al-HaYim) is; blasphemy.
　
When Jesus stood before the High Priests Ananas/ Caiaphas, Jesus pronounced the name of his gods as the Canaanites. Jesus pronounced the name of his gods as; “Elohim” (E/Lo/Him), meaning; “the gods/ are not/ of the living” (transliterates as; “the gods are of wood and stone&#8221, to blasphemy The G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thus Jesus was to be condemned to death by stoning. Then on the cross Jesus called out to “Eloi” (Elo/him) his gods (the angels).

 

[Muffled]

The title of God is “YHVH,” and the name of The God of Abraham is “Al-HaYim.” Elohim is the name of the Canaanite gods the angels.
　
The Canaanites using the name of their gods as “Elohim” (in place of Al-HaYim) is; blasphemy.
　
When Jesus stood before the High Priests Ananas/ Caiaphas, Jesus pronounced the name of his gods as the Canaanites. Jesus pronounced the name of his gods as; “Elohim” (E/Lo/Him), meaning; “the gods/ are not/ of the living” (transliterates as; “the gods are of wood and stone”), to blasphemy The G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Thus Jesus was to be condemned to death by stoning. Then on the cross Jesus called out to “Eloi” (Elo/him) his gods (the angels).

The Caananites gods were Baal. More likely the household gods or Ur were the Elohim. I am curious where you get the Al Hayim from since I have never seen it before. Using a generic term for God instead of His name is not blasphemy. Granted that the generic word for God comes from names of other gods but there is no doubt in my mind that God knows who we are talking about. JHVH wssn't even the name that Moses was told to use. He ws told to use the name AHYH, which is the name Jesus used for Himself.

I didn't find any reference to this. You will have to point it out.

That is a supposition by the priests. The "Eloi" comes from a direct quote of a Psalm and is only intended to indicate that prophesy is being fulfilled.