doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
There are lots of "non-messiahs" who claim to be "one with god" as well. This is a standard way that mystics express their direct and internal experience of the divine across cultures.
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Did Jesus say he was God???
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
And anybody intimately familiar with the philosophy of mysticism will tell you that "I am one with God" does not mean the same thing as "I am God." Not at all.doppelgänger;2600172 said:
For the last time, I'll say we are discussing the bible here.
If you want, you could have a serious discussion about the bible.
Otherwise, this is useless, time waste and deserves no reply.
waitasec
Veteran Member
show me in the OP where it says we are discussing the bible and not overwhelming evidence
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This is really starting to be a waste of time.
All the thread is discussing the bible. Anyway, you can ask him yourself.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i did.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
In the Synoptics, yes. In "John" I don't think so.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Yes, if your god allows the person to do these things....which is exactly what the biblical Yeshua said his god did....
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
1John 4:12-13
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
I'm using the bible stories which everyone including you have posted. The misconception was on the part of the pharisees and you happen to agree with their accusations. Jesus clearly did not agree with the accusations and always had something to say back to make the pharisees sound ignorant. Even when Jesus was in front of Pontius Pilate he didn't give a straight answer nor did he agree with the accusations.
Can anyone see "I and the Father are one" in this verse?1John 4:12-13
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
If you want to say that I have a misconception, then you should show some proofs, otherwise your words are useless.
D-MITCH777
Member
Assuming Jesus is a historical person. If you look at the Prophecies of the Messiah, he never fulfilled them all.
here is a article proving he was not the Messiah
Jesus the false Messiah
here is a article proving he was not the Messiah
Jesus the false Messiah
herushura
Active Member
That is because they are no such thing as "Prophecies of the Messiah". in those Times.
Maybe a little off topic?
How come?
herushura
Active Member
The Torah or Isaiah does not Prophecies the Future, or, of any Future Messiah, The Central Character of Isaiah is CYRUS, for when you takes quotes from the Book of Isaiah, you are taking a Quote, that was Written for CYRUS and corrupting, so that its a Quote about Jesus.
Its Like taking a Quote out of harry Potter referring to Voldemort and making people believe its a Quote about Dark Lord Sauron(Lord of the Rings).
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM." I AM is one the Names of God.