Lione D' ea: First the cited is true that He came from in heaven, but the question there is when heaven are not yet created where is he...my answer is when heaven and earth are not yet created He is came from the Father in was,
The biblical Yeshua doesn't given any additional information as to his existence other than he existed before Abraham existed (John 8:58) and that he existed (WITH) his god before the Earth was made.
John 17:5 (Etheridge Pe****ta)
And now
glorify thou me, my Father, with thyself, in that glory which I had with thee before the world was.
second you are contrary of what John 6:38 and John 17:3 tells it..because Jesus Christ itself saith that: I descended from heaven not to do mine own will, FOR WHOM ?, but the will of Him( the Father) who sent me meaning not the will of Son but the Father, you can notify the word SENT there, meaning not the will of Christ, there is person who is higher than him, therefore not the will of Son, but the will of the Father, because the Father is greater than all John 10:29 Read:
Without realizing it you're confirming what I've been saying all along but what you're not getting is that Yeshua, whether you call him the son or not, he displays in John 6:38 that he existed in heaven having a separate will before even being sent to Earth by his god. Throughout John the same theme is echoed..(you sent me, you instructed me, you gave me)...so we should not be left with some impression he's "God" because it is contrary to what he taught his followers.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; (Adj.)
Yes. Which is to say his god (
see. John 20:17) is greater than him and his god (
see. Rev. 3:12) is greater than all. The "Father" is exactly what he told the Jews and that the "Father" is god.
John 8:54 (Etheridge Pe****ta)
Jeshu said to them,
If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing: it is my Father who glorifieth me; he, of whom you say that he is your God.
Lione D' ea: Therefore the will of the Father must follow, and I not interpret my own, Bible interpret itself, the Bible answer you question not me...
Actually I answered the question already.
Lione D' ea: There is no doubt the meaning also of young woman is virgin, in Israel a woman is not a virgin they will die in no mercy in the law of Moses...you cannot separate the meaning of young woman in virgin
Yes you can. The only way for you to make such a comment is to be totally oblivious to the text of the OT and many the definitions this word has associated with it. "almah" doesn't simply mean virgin. See the following....
Gen. 24:43 (
Genesis - Chapter 24 (Parshah Chayei Sarah) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
Behold, I am standing by the water fountain.
When a maiden comes out to draw [water], I will say to her, 'Please, give me a little water to drink from your pitcher.'
Exodus 2:8 (
Exodus - Chapter 2 (Parshah Shemot) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
Pharaoh's daughter said to her, "Go!"
So the girl went and called the child's mother.
Psalms 68:25 (
Tehillim - Chapter 68 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
Singers went first, minstrels afterwards,
in the midst of maidens playing timbrels.
Proverbs 30:19 (
Mishlei - Chapter 30 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
The way of the eagle in the heavens, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship in the heart of the sea,
and the way of a man with a young woman.
Songs 1:3 (
Shir Hashirim - Chapter 1 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
Because of the fragrance of your goodly oils, your name is 'oil poured forth.'
Therefore, the maidens loved you.
Songs 6:8 (
Shir Hashirim - Chapter 6 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
There are sixty queens and eighty concubines,
and innumerable maidens.
Isaiah 7:14 (
Yeshayahu - Chapter 7 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible)
Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign;
behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
It's no surprise that the KJV renders both "alma" and "bethula" both to mean virgin. The KJV is a little more inconsistent with it at times. All Jewish scriptures I've come across render "alma" to not simply mean (virgin) but instead have used the word "bethula". This is why I don't rely solely on the KJV for a translation of your scripture. I go to the people (The Jewish - sources) in an effort to see and understand how they render their scriptures.
can you testify it it is for Ahaz?
Yes but it would take a while to cover.
