Francine
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So the Jews just liked to kill people for no reason? They picked up rocks at the drop of a hat?
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Did Jesus say he was God???
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So the Jews just liked to kill people for no reason? They picked up rocks at the drop of a hat?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Well you asked....
Matthew 23-34-39
I will send you prophets and wise men and teachers of religious law. You will kill some by crucifixion and whip others in your synagogues, chasing them from city to city.
As a result, you will become guilty of murdering all the godly people from righteous Abel to Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered in the Temple between the altar and the sanctuary.
I assure you, all the accumulated judgment of the centuries will break upon the heads of this very generation.
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God's messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn't let me.
And now look, your house is left to you, empty and desolate.
For I tell you this, you will never see me again until you say, `Bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord!
No equating himself with God in that last verse.....
Francine
Well-Known Member
The Jews understood him to equate himself with God, and they said so in John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
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Dear Lady,
THEY made the claim. Jesus did not. Have you never heard of anyone who might have been falsely accused?
In verse 29 of the same chapter He says:
"10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
(King James Bible, John)
Yet again He denies being God.
Regards,
Scott
In the name of Allah.
Let us analyze these following verses in the Bible.
John 14:28 says "My father is greater than I."
John 10:29 says "My father is greater than all"
Matthew 12:28 says "I cast out devils by the spirit of God"
Luke 11:20 says "I with the finger of God cast out devils"
John 5:30 says "I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just; because I seek not my will. but the will of thy father"
Sounds like two completely different people. Let us analyze more verses.
John 14:24 says "...and the word that ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me"
John 17:3 says "And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true Godn and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
Matthew 19:16-17 "And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. "Would a God not want to be called good???
Acts 2:22 says "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
Mark 12:29 says, "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
There are of course many more verses. However, these statements clearly say God is ONE and NOT three.
Let us analyze these following verses in the Bible.
John 14:28 says "My father is greater than I."
John 10:29 says "My father is greater than all"
Matthew 12:28 says "I cast out devils by the spirit of God"
Luke 11:20 says "I with the finger of God cast out devils"
John 5:30 says "I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just; because I seek not my will. but the will of thy father"
Sounds like two completely different people. Let us analyze more verses.
John 14:24 says "...and the word that ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me"
John 17:3 says "And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true Godn and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
Matthew 19:16-17 "And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. "Would a God not want to be called good???
Acts 2:22 says "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
Mark 12:29 says, "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
There are of course many more verses. However, these statements clearly say God is ONE and NOT three.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
So did you analyze any of these verses?
Yes sir I did. I would be more than happy if you could try to prove me wrong.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
I agree that jesus never claimed to BE God. However there is another thread that has been discussing this for months "Is Jesus God in the Flesh?" Perhaps it would be more efficient to discuss the issue there.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/51381-jesus-god-flesh.html
Regards,
Scott
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/51381-jesus-god-flesh.html
Regards,
Scott
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
An analysis would include at least a few sentences of interpretation explaining the meaning of the verses.
As it is, you just have a list. No analysis. There is nothing to prove wrong.
Okay, I will give comments, sir.
The John verses clear state that Jesus is powerless and that God and Jesus are two completely different people. Acts says that God is the one responsible for doing miracles and not Jesus, therefore Jesus isn't divine. Mark says our lord is ONE lord not three. Therefore, from these following verses, Jesus is not God.
tomspug
Absorbant
Apparently, you think Jesus didn't claim to be God, yet felt he had the authority to forgive a paralytic's sins.
And if you don't believe Mark, how about Luke?
And if you don't believe Mark, how about Luke?
And of course, he says it in John a whole bunch of times. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who reads the New Testament that Jesus thought he was the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
tomspug
Absorbant
Not one of your verses is in context. If you're going to quote ambiguous verses, then you're going to have to quote the verses AROUND it as well. Otherwise, I could tell you all sorts of things that the Bible DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
If these interpretations are correct, why do you think that Christians wrote the Bible, preserved for thousands of years, and even use it openly today while believing that Christ is God?
I agree, these verses say that God is One God, which Christians still confess, and most of us - at least the Orthodox churches - always have.
lunamoth
Will to love
Yes he is.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
LOL. You're quoting the other thread. Unfortunately you need to get a smellier herring to drag across the trail.
Maybe the staff could merge this thread with Is Jesus God in the Flesh, there really is no sense in doing this twice at the same time.
Regards,
Scott
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Then YOU are also "God" luna. Romans 8:14.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
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Son of God doesn't mean LITERALLY he was the son of god. If that is the case then he had several sons. I mean for example let us see Exodus 4:22. It says Israel is his son, and also says he is first born. Son of God simply means that God loves him. It wasn't to be taken literally.
