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Did Jesus say he was God???

lunamoth

lunamoth

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1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[b]
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
 
Evandr

Evandr

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Okay, I will give comments, sir.


The John verses clear state that Jesus is powerless and that God and Jesus are two completely different people. Acts says that God is the one responsible for doing miracles and not Jesus, therefore Jesus isn't divine. Mark says our lord is ONE lord not three. Therefore, from these following verses, Jesus is not God.
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It all makes sense when you stop considering the term "God" to be a title that is singularly held - it is not.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are all considered "Gods", all being members of the Godhead.

Inability to reconcile this with the commonly accepted philosophy that God is someone (or something) that is a one and only gave rise to the very confusing concept of the Trinity.

The term "God" is a title that is attributed to the highest office of the Holy Priesthood, thusly, "As man is, God once was, As God (our Heavenly Father) is, man may become."
 
Francine

Francine

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No he wasn't. Where in the Bible does it explicitly say that?
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John 1:[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
lunamoth said:
'son of God,' not 'Son of God.'
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Luke 22:70 doesn't have capital letters, so this dichotomy doesn't work in Greek. Why do you think those capital letters are there in the English translations? And why translate the same characters in Rom. 8:14 without the capitals? Theology creeping into the translations, methinks.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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doppelgänger;1049978 said:
Luke 22:70 doesn't have capital letters, so this dichotomy doesn't work in Greek. Why do you think those capital letters are there in the English translations?
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The uncials do.
 
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Protector

Humble Da'i.
Francine said:
John 1:[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Well the RSV Bible threw this verse out.
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

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doppelgänger;1049978 said:
Luke 22:70 doesn't have capital letters, so this dichotomy doesn't work in Greek. Why do you think those capital letters are there in the English translations?
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66At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. 67"If you are the Christ,[d]" they said, "tell us."

Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, 68and if I asked you, you would not answer. 69But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."
70They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?"
He replied, "You are right in saying I am." 71Then they said, "Why do we need any more testimony? We have heard it from his own lips."

It is capitalized. :shrug:
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

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Francine said:
John 1:[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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What translation?

Here's the King James:

"1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

"1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Regards,
Scott
 
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