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Did Jesus say he was God???

lunamoth

lunamoth

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doppelgänger;1050030 said:
BTW, for the record, it makes no difference to me what the authors of the various stories about "Jesus" put in their dialogue . . . and Jesus claiming to be one with "God" is entirely in keeping with other aspects of the Gospel of John (not to mention pretty much any other culture's version of mysticism). I don't think it's correct to say that Jesus's reference to being the "son of god" in Luke 22 is the same as saying he is God. And it's almost certainly incorrect to suggest that the usage in Luke 22 should be taken any differently than the use of that phrase elsewhere (like Romans 8) based on the common practice of capitalizing the phrase "Son of God" in English translations, because it simply is not capitalized in the Greek manuscripts the translators are working with. That it gets capitalized in Luke and not in Romans is just a symptom of the translators' theological bias.
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That makes sense. Thanks dopp. And AE.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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doppelgänger;1050030 said:
BTW, for the record, it makes no difference to me what the authors of the various stories about "Jesus" put in their dialogue . . . and Jesus claiming to be one with "God" is entirely in keeping with other aspects of the Gospel of John (not to mention pretty much any other culture's version of mysticism). I don't think it's correct to say that Jesus's reference to being the "son of god" in Luke 22 is the same as saying he is God. And it's almost certainly incorrect to suggest that the usage in Luke 22 should be taken any differently than the use of that phrase elsewhere (like Romans 8) based on the common practice of capitalizing the phrase "Son of God" in English translations, because it simply is not capitalized in the Greek manuscripts the translators are working with. That it gets capitalized in Luke and not in Romans is just a symptom of the translators' theological bias.
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We do work with uncials - just for what it's worth. But capitalization is completely insignificant in Greek.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

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Protector said:
Do you mean begotten son of God?
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One of the shortest Surahs of the Qur'an:

THE CHAPTER OF UNITY
(CXII. Place of origin doubtful.)
IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
Say, 'He is God alone!
God the Eternal!
He begets not and is not begotten!
Nor is there like unto Him any one!'

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 112 - Unity)

Regards,

Scott
 
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Protector

Humble Da'i.
Popeyesays said:
One of the shortest Surahs of the Qur'an:

THE CHAPTER OF UNITY
(CXII. Place of origin doubtful.)
IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
Say, 'He is God alone!
God the Eternal!
He begets not and is not begotten!
Nor is there like unto Him any one!'

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 112 - Unity)

Regards,

Scott
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What about this beautiful Surah?
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
And from the Torah:

"6,4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 6,5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6,6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thy heart; 6,7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 6,8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes. 6,9 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates. {S}

(Torah (Law), Devarim (Deuteronomy))

Regards,
Scott
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

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The Surah postulates that God is not begotten, and begets nothing. Therefore Jesus is not begotten of God. God WILLED Mary to bear a son, there was no trace of "begetting". It was an act of will, not a transfer of DNA.

Jesus cannot BE God, because nothing but God can BE God, He has no equals or partners, divisions or multiples.

The Torah reinforces this as well.

Regards,
Scott

Regards,
Scott
 
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