Diocese says it must end all state-funded adoption, foster services

[doppelganger]

I am a Psych student, and my little time here has already confirmed this field of study (psychology/psychiatry) will not be obsolete any time soon.

No doubt. I'd love to discuss the psychology of religious belief with you some time. Ever read Jung's essay on "Psychotherapy or the Clergy"?

My own view is that mythology was a primitive therapeutic device that no longer works correctly (and usually does even more damage) when it is divorced from the particular cultural context for which it was developed. Well, at least the "outer mystery" doesn't. The "inner" mystery - reading myth for its psychological/epistemological connotations works universally.

 

[JMiller]

I do wonder if personalities this extreme, are more of a problem in society than society is willing to admit. I mean the political world is riddled with people like this, as is the corporate world, not to mention "Plain Janes" walking the street remaining relatively unknown.

 

[doppelganger]

I do wonder if personalities this extreme, are more of a problem in society than society is willing to admit.

Nah. People who use these extreme personalities for their own gain are the real problem. People with these extreme personalities are, ironically, often looking just to find something to lose themselves in. The sociopaths that nurture extremism, and profit from damaged people, are the ones to look out for.

 

[JMiller]

No doubt. I'd love to discuss the psychology of religious belief with you some time. Ever read Jung's essay on "Psychotherapy or the Clergy"?

I have not read that. Not many people want to discuss Jung's work today. It is simply glossed over in classes. Although I am currently reading his book "Man and his symbols" which I have found fascinating so far.

My own view is that mythology was a primitive therapeutic device that no longer works correctly (and usually does even more damage) when it is divorced from the particular cultural context for which it was developed. Well, at least the "outer mystery" doesn't. The "inner" mystery - reading myth for its psychological/epistemological connotations works universally.

Is this view on mythology based on someone's work, or is it just something you feel might be a pertinent theory?

 

[JMiller]

BTW, just Googled that essay. I'll enjoy it today. Thanks...

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Yes, but slight variance. You are trolling the site with your thread. Not the thread with your posts. Get it?

Nope. Its a religious site and I am expressing my religious view. Get it?

I thought you liberals were all about "tolerance". Funny how you actually tolerate nobody's view but your own and attack all others: Rather ironic.

Can you say "Hypocrisy"?

 

[doppelganger]

I have not read that. Not many people want to discuss Jung's work today. It is simply glossed over in classes. Although I am currently reading his book "Man and his symbols" which I have found fascinating so far.

Is this view on mythology based on someone's work, or is it just something you feel might be a pertinent theory?

It's derived from my study of many sources and if you know them you'll find elements of all of them woven into my views. Most prominently: Joseph Campbell, Jung, Nietzsche, Orwell, Tillich, Richard Rorty, Alan Watts, Heidegger and a few more obscure types like Robert Anton Wilson and Constantin Brunner.

 

[doppelganger]

Nope. Its a religious site and I am expressing my religious view. Get it?

I thought you liberals were all about "tolerance". Funny how you actually tolerate nobody's view but your own and attack all others: Rather ironic.

Good thing I'm not a "liberal." They sound like a bunch of jerks. :?)

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Nope. Its a religious site and I am expressing my religious view. Get it?

I thought you liberals were all about "tolerance". Funny how you actually tolerate nobody's view but your own and attack all others: Rather ironic.

Can you say "Hypocrisy"?

Good thing I'm not a "liberal." They sound like a bunch of jerks. :?)

Oh, you are liberal alright, at least when it comes to this subject.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Noooo, its tyranical for the government to force private organizations to do things that violate their religious beliefs.

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There is no separate entity called Government. Government is a consensus of like minded people elected to carry out the wishes of the majority. Governments in a democracy are the people.

If catholics do not agree with the decisions, they should not elect these people.

 

[doppelganger]

Oh, you are liberal alright, at least when it comes to this subject.

Nope. I eschew these sorts of labels. They are for use by idiots.

 

[JMiller]

Nope. Its a religious site and I am expressing my religious view. Get it?

I thought you liberals were all about "tolerance". Funny how you actually tolerate nobody's view but your own and attack all others: Rather ironic.

Can you say "Hypocrisy"?

You're right. I have not given you a chance to properly express yourself. Please, the mic is yours. What exactly would you like us to know, do, change, or whatever?
Are you actively taking recruits to your cause? Where can one sign up? Do you have textbooks that help educate your new recruits? I prefer hardbound books if that isn't to much of a problem.

Please list your agenda in a numbered list for some of us that are slow. For example: (remember this is only an example)

1. My goal is to put my foot in my mouth
2. I plan to do this after I take my sock off
3. I then grab my ankle and using enough force I pull my foot closer to my orifice.
4. I then insert it deep into my mouth, big toe first, then the smaller toes.
5. In conclusion, if you follow these steps, you too, can achieve an incredible feet in your life.

Now, of course that was simply an arbitrary example, but it should quite help me if you would outline the agenda as such. Looking quite forward to this new positive Christian like exchange.

Cordially,
J.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Well, I'm off to teach my kids the F word.

Well, you're quite the lady.

 

[doppelganger]

Well, you're quite the lady.

Even with the intended irony, that still feels like a compliment coming from you.

 

[Songbird]

Well, you're quite the lady.

I'm a classssay laaaday! You'd have to hear it en voce. Doesn't work in text.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Not going to watch it unless you have a video of one your priests diddling a child and admit that this too exemplifies what ALL Catholics support. Are you game?

Got your video:


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YouTube - ‪"Epic :120" Catholics Come Home‬‏

 

[Amill]

So you like hearing little kids spew out the F-Bomb?
I can only hiope that you are unable to have kids. You disgust me

F bombs are just a combination of sounds lol...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It was a Church run adoption service, a private service. We DO have the right to our religious beliefs, right? Are we now FORCED to provide services in a manner that violates our faith, services usually provided by the state? That is quite a 180 from the usual "seperation of church and state" gobbldeygook people are usually screaming.

The government sometimes outsources its services to contractors. If an organization decides to become a government contractor, then (at least in regards to the contracted services) they're bound by the same requirements as the government. If the organization finds these requirements too onerous, then they can cease to contract with the government... which is what this organization did.

No rights were violated by the government mandating that its services be provided in accordance with the law. No organization has the right to a government contract.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Blind faith over basic human rights.


Typical.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

May-26-2011
Diocese says it must end all state-funded adoption, foster services
By Catholic News Service
LINK: CNS STORY: Diocese says it must end all state-funded adoption, foster services

In a related story:

CATHOLIC FOSTER CARE IN D.C. FORCED OUT

February 17, 2010

As reported in today’s Washington Post, Catholic Charities in the Archdiocese of Washington has ended its foster-care program. At issue was the right of the archdiocese to reject gay marriage and remain a city contractor; a bill legalizing same-sex marriage recently passed in the District.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue supports the archdiocese:

Archbishop Donald Wuerl is a man of principle and prudence: he did not want to end the foster-care program, but he was left with no realistic option. District lawmakers could have granted the kind of religious exemptions that would have ensured a continuation of services, but instead they sought to create a Catch-22 situation for the archdiocese. Surely they knew that Archbishop Wuerl was not going to negotiate Catholic Church teachings on marriage, yet that hardly mattered to them. The real losers are the children who were served by the Catholic Church.

Those who say that Wuerl is throwing the kids overboard are phonies. If Planned Parenthood were told that as a condition of public funding it had to refer Catholic women having second thoughts about abortion to a crisis pregnancy center, it would scream violation of church and state, refuse the money and end this program. Well, Archbishop Wuerl isn’t about to allow the state to run roughshod over Catholic doctrine, and that is why he is being forced to drop the foster-care program.

Prudent lawmakers interested in balancing church and state interests and servicing children would not seek to impose secular views on sectarian institutions. But that’s not what D.C. legislators opted to do, leaving Archbishop Wuerl with no realistic alternative.

LINK: Catholic League: For Religious and Civil Rights