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Diocese says it must end all state-funded adoption, foster services

Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
CatholicCrusader said:
I understand that you can't fathom our belief in tradtional values, or the concepts of right & wrong. We do not hate homosexuals - in fact the Catechism calls us to treat them with charity. But at the same time we cannot place children in dens of mortal sin.

But I know that people like you label everything they can't understansd as "hate". That is truly the sign of a vacant mind with no moral compass.

Correct. Thanks
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I see that you've decided not to address my reply which pointed out that from the perspective of the person being discriminated against the distinction between objection and hate is largely irrelevent because the result is the same. You can sanitise the language of your discrimination all you want but it remains discrimination.

I fully understand the concepts of right and wrong which is why I am against religiously inspired and hence irrational discimination against groups on the basis of arbitrary and superstitious beliefs.

You don't even realise how condencending and disguisting your 'charity' towards homosexuals is. Homosexuals are not in need of charity and pity because there is nothing wrong with being a homosexual.

Infact if anyone should be restricted from caring for children its the homophobic Catholics who preach intolerance, and indeed when it comes to fostering in the UK a Christian homophobic couple have been taken off a councils list of foster parents because of their religiously inspired interolence.

Discrimination isn't justified by being part of a religious belief system despite your views otherwise.

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newhope101

newhope101

Active Member
Oneatatime said:
Ah Catholics, fighting for the right to discriminate against whatever abritrary group their religion teaches them to hate. I wonder how long it will take for Catholic organisations like this to realise that its not a good thing to discriminate against people or at least that religious organisations aren't above the laws which apply to everyone else.

Probably a long time.
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Foster care and adoption is provided to meet the needs of the children, not the adults that want a child to fulfil their own needs.

Children that have already been traumatised do not need the added trauma of having to explain to their friends why they have two mummies or daddies, and the additional trauma or bias that the community may show, to deal with.

What these children and young people need are 'normal' households with particularly skilled and insightfull adults that can provide a healing environment

If foster care and adoption was about meeting the needs of barrenless adults, or gay couples, then gay couple foster care should be supported. Unfortunately it is not about meeting the needs of adults. Gay people should go buy a pet to meet their needs and leave foster children to grow up in normal balanced households that are not subject to scrutiny, right or wrong, about the morality of homosexuality.

Traumatised children have enough of their own problems to deal with and are not there to meet the needs of the gay community.

Good on the church for sticking to its' values rather than selling out for a contract.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Catholic League president Bill Donohue sounds like a moron.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
CatholicCrusader said:
I understand that you can't fathom our belief in tradtional values, or the concepts of right & wrong. We do not hate homosexuals - in fact the Catechism calls us to treat them with charity. But at the same time we cannot place children in dens of mortal sin.
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According to the Catholic Church, missing Sunday Mass is a mortal sin. So is denying the Trinity. So Catholic Charities of Rockford refuses to place orphans with Muslims, Unitarians and anyone else who doesn't attend Mass every week?

Or does it pick and choose between which mortal sins are "acceptable" and which ones aren't?
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
CatholicCrusader said:
In a related story:




LINK: Catholic League: For Religious and Civil Rights

CATHOLIC FOSTER CARE IN D.C. FORCED OUT

February 17, 2010

As reported in today’s Washington Post, Catholic Charities in the Archdiocese of Washington has ended its foster-care program. At issue was the right of the archdiocese to reject gay marriage and remain a city contractor; a bill legalizing same-sex marriage recently passed in the District.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue supports the archdiocese:

Archbishop Donald Wuerl is a man of principle and prudence: he did not want to end the foster-care program, but he was left with no realistic option. District lawmakers could have granted the kind of religious exemptions that would have ensured a continuation of services, but instead they sought to create a Catch-22 situation for the archdiocese. Surely they knew that Archbishop Wuerl was not going to negotiate Catholic Church teachings on marriage, yet that hardly mattered to them. The real losers are the children who were served by the Catholic Church.

Those who say that Wuerl is throwing the kids overboard are phonies. If Planned Parenthood were told that as a condition of public funding it had to refer Catholic women having second thoughts about abortion to a crisis pregnancy center, it would scream violation of church and state, refuse the money and end this program. Well, Archbishop Wuerl isn’t about to allow the state to run roughshod over Catholic doctrine, and that is why he is being forced to drop the foster-care program.

Prudent lawmakers interested in balancing church and state interests and servicing children would not seek to impose secular views on sectarian institutions. But that’s not what D.C. legislators opted to do, leaving Archbishop Wuerl with no realistic alternative.
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"No realistic alternative..."
:facepalm:

How about considering the childrens needs over religious dogma?
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
First off, I would like to say that I am glad I grew up with the family I have. I'm glad my mother's side of the family was/is a good group of Catholics to learn from and be around. I'm glad my view of Catholics in general comes from my experiences with this large and accepting and fun family and not from those few zealots like CatholicCrusader. I have never met a hateful and judgmental and homophobic Catholic in person. I'm sure that CC would try to claim that my entire mother's side of my family is not "truly" Catholic but I sure wouldn't take his word for anything at all now. Especially that.

Secondly, as to the video posted with the kids, I not only don't have issue against it, but am pretty sure my mother wouldn't either (as well as many others on that side of my family). We're talking about using one word, used by kids in a so-called "shocking" way, to emote a strong feeling about teachers in TN not being able to address the issue of homosexuality and be able to stop bullying against gay students. Honestly, good on the kids for standing up. FCKH8 actually seems like a good message. At least in my eyes. And yes, I have kids. And yes, I'd be proud of them if they stood up like that. I teach my children acceptance. I teach them that love is love. I teach them that there are all kinds of families. That some families have a mommy and a daddy, some families have only one parent, some families have 2 mommies and some have 2 daddies. That all these families are filled with people who love each other and we are all just the same. It does not surprise my children to see a family with 2 mommies or 2 daddies. They don't even react. To them it's just another family. And regardless of what you may think of me as a parent CC, I'm very proud of that fact.
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
CatholicCrusader said:
I tell you guys what: Take a gander at this video, and tell me if this is not homosexuals perverting children into doing offensive things:

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lop4TokXmkU&feature=player_embedded

You'll have to go to the address. I could not allow the video player to post in good conscience.

The producers of this video should be jailed for child abuse.
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OMG That was awesome!!

I never heard of them.
I Facebooked,Twittered it AND I`m checking out their T-Shirts right now!

Hysterical!

Thank you for bringing this group to my attention.

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I bought a black one with the groups moniker on it.
 
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Oneatatime

Oneatatime

Huh?
newhope101 said:
Foster care and adoption is provided to meet the needs of the children, not the adults that want a child to fulfil their own needs.

Children that have already been traumatised do not need the added trauma of having to explain to their friends why they have two mummies or daddies, and the additional trauma or bias that the community may show, to deal with.

What these children and young people need are 'normal' households with particularly skilled and insightfull adults that can provide a healing environment

If foster care and adoption was about meeting the needs of barrenless adults, or gay couples, then gay couple foster care should be supported. Unfortunately it is not about meeting the needs of adults. Gay people should go buy a pet to meet their needs and leave foster children to grow up in normal balanced households that are not subject to scrutiny, right or wrong, about the morality of homosexuality.

Traumatised children have enough of their own problems to deal with and are not there to meet the needs of the gay community.

Good on the church for sticking to its' values rather than selling out for a contract.
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You're appealing to social pressures brought about by intolerance to justify intolerance. Presumably then if a child is likely to be bullied because they are white and their adoptive parents are black then discrimination against black people adopting white children is permissible?

Please provide evidence that gay couples are unable to provide the love and support that a child needs.
 
Draka

Draka

Wonder Woman
newhope101 said:
Foster care and adoption is provided to meet the needs of the children, not the adults that want a child to fulfil their own needs.

Children that have already been traumatised do not need the added trauma of having to explain to their friends why they have two mummies or daddies, and the additional trauma or bias that the community may show, to deal with.

What these children and young people need are 'normal' households with particularly skilled and insightfull adults that can provide a healing environment

If foster care and adoption was about meeting the needs of barrenless adults, or gay couples, then gay couple foster care should be supported. Unfortunately it is not about meeting the needs of adults. Gay people should go buy a pet to meet their needs and leave foster children to grow up in normal balanced households that are not subject to scrutiny, right or wrong, about the morality of homosexuality.

Traumatised children have enough of their own problems to deal with and are not there to meet the needs of the gay community.

Good on the church for sticking to its' values rather than selling out for a contract.
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What you, and obviously CC, fail to think about is that heterosexual married couples, willing to foster and adopt older abused kids, aren't exactly in great supply everywhere. It's not about giving children to "barren" gay parents. It's about giving children in need to good people who want to help and take them in and love them. Gay and unmarried couples, and even single parents, can do that just as well as any married hetero couple. The issue is providing good stable and loving homes for children, and to say that this large chunk of viable homes aren't going to be even considered just cuts down the number of homes to go to. Which means that some children will be bounced around from over-crowded foster home to over-crowded foster home, some will be put with not-so-desirable parents (but because they are married heteros they have higher "preference") and some kids will go to group homes where they become ignored and treated like cattle. By letting unmarrieds and homosexuals participate in the programs you allow many more kids to be helped and put into good homes. It gives the kids better chances in life. A kid loved and taken care of by 2 dads or 2 moms is in much better standing than a kid bounced between group homes because there isn't enough room to house them all. That's just fact.
 
linwood

linwood

Well-Known Member
Songbird said:
You sure hit a nerve.

Well, I'm off to teach my kids the F word.
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Honestly I just had a fairly long and comical discussion with my 10 year old daughter last week about how versatile the F word was.

It led to her questioning why a "word" could be considered bad if it wasn`t used to harm anyone.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
9-10ths_Penguin said:
No rights were violated by the government mandating that its services be provided in accordance with the law. No organization has the right to a government contract.
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And this is an excellent point. Catholic charities can continue their good work of making sure everyone knows they think homosexuality is evil and carrying out adoptions using the money tithed or donated by people like our OP friend here who support their particular vision. They don't need tax dollars for that.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
linwood said:
Honestly I just had a fairly long and comical discussion with my 10 year old daughter last week about how versatile the F word was.

It led to her questioning why a "word" could be considered bad if it wasn`t used to harm anyone.
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I've been having that discussion with my daughter since she was about six years old. She understands that there are no "bad words," but there are people who are so wrapped up in certain words that they'll never understand that. So she need never feel guilty about saying what she wants to say, though she needs to understand that there will be consequences of using certain words around some people. My stated policy has always been that she can use any word she wants around me.

Guess what?

She never uses any of the "bad words". I took the fun out of it. I guess Paul was right in Romans - "apart from the Law, sin is dead."

:?)
 
newhope101

newhope101

Active Member
angelous evangelous...if the church is 'sick' in your eyes they should not be supporting any fostering or adoption at all. You cannot have it both ways.

It is great in fairy land with all this adult reasoning. What you forget is many children are not taught to love gays and can be cruel at school as can the community. Do not foget some of these kids get to eventually go home to likely a poor unemployed parent, not a balanced professional.

Out of desperation and a lack of carers, all applicants would need to be considered, of course. Foster care or adoption by a gay couple would likely bring better outcomes than growing up in an institution. Gays are helpful in caring for children that have sexual identity issues, but children are better raised in normal households or even single parent households in preference, re adresssing the childs needs as a priority.

Gay couples should go meet their needs to play happy families with pets. I support the churches stance here and their charities, despite the Churches shamefull history and the minority of sickos still within. It is about time the church followed the teaching of the bible rather than giving priority to public popularity.
 
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