Disgruntled former SS teacher

[Mr Cheese]

Gnostics posit this is one "proof" that there are actually 2 Gods portrayed in the Old testament.....

 

[Man of Faith]

Some things are bugging me. Maybe I've learned too much to be comfortable teaching the standard "Christian" beliefs. I'll ask one question at a time.

Question-
If God is "Good", then how can He be called a "Jealous" God in the Hebrew Bible? I would consider being jealous to be a bad trait.

Really, ever showed your jealousy to your significant other? Did it make them happy that you were jealous, that you cared enough to be jealous of others.

 

[Storm]

Really, ever showed your jealousy to your significant other? Did it make them happy that you were jealous, that you cared enough to be jealous of others.

I don't suffer from jealousy. Significant others who do don't last long with me. I don't like being treated like property.

 

[Man of Faith]

I don't suffer from jealousy. Significant others who do don't last long with me. I don't like being treated like property.

So if you go out with another person, your significant other shouldn't be jealous? They should just yawn and say ho hum? That doesn't show they care about you. Jealousy can be good or bad, depending on the context.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well since I'm a Monist, I believe that God is both one and all the gods of various cultures at once, I view the way the Bible uses the word "god" differently. The Bible itself says that the rulers of Israel were gods. The powers and authorities of this world are gods. Put your trust in the divine, rather then in governments ruled by people with carnal minds. The Bible has to be read with more then a literal mindset to get spiritual wisdom from it.

 

[Storm]

So if you go out with another person, your significant other shouldn't be jealous? They should just yawn and say ho hum? Jealousy can be good or bad, depending on the context.

If I cheat on my partner, that's betrayal, not jealousy. I wouldn't do that, so it's never come up.

Are you trying to draw a parallel between cheating and being other than Christian?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Trust is better than jealousy any day.
Jealousy is an ugly trait to have.

 

[Man of Faith]

If I cheat on my partner, that's betrayal, not jealousy. I wouldn't do that, so it's never come up.

Are you trying to draw a parallel between cheating and being other than Christian?

It's betrayal to you, but that's not what we are discussing. Your significant other shouldn't be jealous? What would bother you most, that your signifant other doesn't care enough to be jealous or that they try to win you back?

 

[Storm]

It's betrayal to you, but that's not what we are discussing. Your significant other shouldn't be jealous? What would bother you most, that your signifant other doesn't care enough to be jealous or that they try to win you back?

No, it's betrayal to THEM. Jealousy doesn't enter into it. It's about broken promises and abused trust, not ownership.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Jealousy does not reflect caring. Jealousy reflects perceived ownership.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Really, ever showed your jealousy to your significant other? Did it make them happy that you were jealous, that you cared enough to be jealous of others.

jealousy is for the weak.....

When I am in a relationship with a woman
I trust her inherantly
And she trusts me

Or am I am not in a relationship.

Life is too short for jealousy.

..........

Run down the subway station babe
I'm packing my rod
All and present histories erased
I am a punishing god
Mood swing whiskey
Yeah the leaves are made of
Messy things again

And i said this is all the headless acrobats
Faces crushed in the circus dust
All for the law of gravity
And the price of admission

--Jeff Buckley

 

[Storm]

Jealousy does not reflect caring. Jealousy reflects perceived ownership.

This is what I've been trying to say.

Jealousy isn't being hurt because you were betrayed. It's about abuse, manipulation, and control.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Jealousy isn't being hurt because you were betrayed. It's about abuse, manipulation, and control.

indeed

 

[Rainbow Mage]

When the Bible speaks of God as jealous, it's a totally misconstrued, probably mistranslated word. The Tanak always refers to government and religious leaders as gods, it never really addresses other divinities much. So the notion that God is jealous of other divinities is misplaced. If Christ is in all, and we are one in Christ, how can God be jealous of other gods? Those other divinities are also in him and one with him.

 

[tumbleweed41]

When the Bible speaks of God as jealous, it's a totally misconstrued, probably mistranslated word. The Tanak always refers to government and religious leaders as gods, it never really addresses other divinities much. So the notion that God is jealous of other divinities is misplaced. If Christ is in all, and we are one in Christ, how can God be jealous of other gods? Those other divinities are also in him and one with him.

[FONT=verdana,arial]Astroloth - Judges 2:13, Samuel 7:3-4
[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial]Baal - 2 Samuel 2:8; 1 Kings 17:1, 18:17-19; 2 Kings 1:2-5; Jeremiah 9:13-16; Hoseah2:2-13, 14-22[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Baal-zebul - 2 Kings 1:2-5[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Bel - Isaiah 46:1-4 (also in apochraphal chapters removed from Daniel)[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Beelzebul - Mark 3:22[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial]
Chemosh - Numbers 21:29, Judges 11:24[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]"Day Star" and Dawn - Isaiah 14:12-15[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial]
Hadad-rimmon - Zechariah 12:11[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial]
Ishtar - Jeremiah 44:15-28[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial]
Marduk - Jeremiah 50:2-3[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Milkom - 2 Samuel 12:30[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Nabu - Isaiah 46:1-4[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Sakkuth and Kaiwan - Amos 5:26[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial]
Tammuz - Isaiah 17:9-11; Ezekiel 8:14-18; Daniel 11:36-39[/FONT]

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Would you really describe what you are referring to as jealousy? I mean, God is supposed to be Love itself. That would mean that God is totally selfless. I don't see how any form of jealousy is possible. If you were to say 'sad', 'disappointed', 'compassionate' and so forth it would make more sense. But jealous?

Maybe the actual word needs to be looked up and see what else the original Greek or Hebrew could be interpreted as. We often times read the English version not remembering it is a translation.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

So this seems to be one version of an explanation of the original word where the English translates it into jealous, as in "I am a jealous God"

Seems to me to be a bit different than our modern take on the word and worth at least some honest reflection, as to what it might else mean.

 

[Storm]

If "jealous" is an inaccurate translation, I'd certainly like to know. Anyone who speaks Hebrew want to weigh in?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

[FONT=verdana,arial]Astroloth - Judges 2:13, Samuel 7:3-4[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Baal - 2 Samuel 2:8; 1 Kings 17:1, 18:17-19; 2 Kings 1:2-5; Jeremiah 9:13-16; Hoseah2:2-13, 14-22[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Baal-zebul - 2 Kings 1:2-5[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Bel - Isaiah 46:1-4 (also in apochraphal chapters removed from Daniel)[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Beelzebul - Mark 3:22[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Chemosh[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial] - Numbers 21:29, Judges 11:24[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]"Day Star" and Dawn - Isaiah 14:12-15[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Hadad-rimmon[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial] - Zechariah 12:11[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Ishtar[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial] - Jeremiah 44:15-28[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Marduk[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial] - Jeremiah 50:2-3[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Milkom - 2 Samuel 12:30[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Nabu - Isaiah 46:1-4[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Sakkuth and Kaiwan - Amos 5:26[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]Tammuz[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial] - Isaiah 17:9-11; Ezekiel 8:14-18; Daniel 11:36-39[/FONT]

Yes and if you study history, you'll see the Israelities originally had a Monist view were they viewed all these deities as being one with God. They later turned toward Monotheism, and that influenced the bias of the Bible, since most of the Tanak was not written until the pre-Babylonian exile period or later. The Bible also says Moses made a bronze serpent on a pole and commanded the people to look to it for life, but later when Israel's view of God started to shift, Hezekiah cut down Nahushtan's altar and broke the bronze serpent.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

If "jealous" is an inaccurate translation, I'd certainly like to know. Anyone who speaks Hebrew want to weigh in?

Storm it isn't that it is inaccurate, it is just that we can go back to the original Hebrew as I did above, and see what the translators used to decide on using the word jealous.

So, for conversation does the above definition, conclude you to only think jealous? If so, than maybe it is a proper enough term, then to others it might not be. It is from a root word however, that means in Hebrew "to become very red"