dislike atheism

[Jesster]

I just did.
Creativity implies a free will to be Creative.
A stone does not debate its potential survival after it becomes sand.

There are numerous arguments that are only denied by those whose
subconscious guilt makes them wish that their sins are not going to
come back at them after death.

I am not sure what your areas of interest are.
But Aquinas' argument from design cannot be denied by a person
who is being honest with themselves about sin and guilt.

So because a stone doesn't create, souls and god exist? Weak.

Aquinas's 5 ways are also complete crap, but please feel free to include them.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

So because a stone doesn't create, souls and god exist? Weak.

Aquinas's 5 ways are also complete crap, but please feel free to include them.

It is generally understood in psychology and philosophy that insults are a sign of having lost the argument.
Its your subconscious getting the better of your conscious mind.

I don't see how you can disagree with the notion that the best minds produce the most complex and beautiful constructs.
What is more complex and beautiful than the entire Universe?

 

[Jesster]

It is generally understood in psychology and philosophy that insults are a sign of having lost the argument.
Its your subconscious getting the better of your conscious mind.

I didn't insult you. I criticized an argument. Try again.

I don't see how you can disagree with the notion that the best minds produce the most complex and beautiful constructs.
What is more complex and beautiful than the entire Universe?

Yes, great minds do produce great things. You are taking it a step further though. Now please produce evidence that all great things are produced by great minds.

 

[George-ananda]

Well atheists at least acknowledge the greatest mystery; why does anything exist? They leave the mystery at that, which is logically fine.

I believe from my spiritual studies that we can know a more about this mystery from the experiences and teachings of the spiritually more advanced. I call this understanding God/Brahman myself.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Yes, great minds do produce great things. You are taking it a step further though. Now please produce evidence that all great things are produced by great minds.

Give one example that is proof of anything in ALL contexts.
You cannot. No single person can prove anything in ALL contexts.

All we can do is realize the existence of what can be called inductive inference.

If every encounter I have personally had is that the greatest minds create the greatest constructs,
then there is no reason to think this principle should cease to hold beyond my personal experience.

 

[siti]

I don't see how you can disagree with the notion that the best minds produce the most complex and beautiful constructs.
What is more complex and beautiful than the entire Universe?

Excuse me butting in, but it is generally understood in philosophy that such arguments are complete crap as well. Obviously the human mind is a more "complex and beautiful construct" than anything that it has yet created - yes? So it itself must have been created by an even more "complex and beautiful construct" - yes? And we might call that the "Mind of God" - yes? But what even yet more "complex and beautiful construct" could possibly have created that? Its an infinite regression fallacy and an homunculus fallacy as well - I mean you are accounting for complexity by appealing to complexity as the source, explaining mind in terms of mind, life in terms of life...etc. Its just nonsense. Aquinas had an excuse for making that mistake in the pre-scientific middle ages. What is your excuse?

But to answer your question "What is more complex and beautiful than the entire Universe?" - the answer is of course nothing - therefore, following your logic, nothing created the universe.

 

[Jesster]

Give one example that is proof of anything in ALL contexts.
You cannot. No single person can prove anything in ALL contexts.

All we can do is realize the existence of what can be called inductive inference.

If every encounter I have personally had is that there the greatest minds create the greatest constructs,
then there is no reason to think this principle should cease to hold beyond my personal experience.

So you can't prove that the universe was created by an intelligent being? Good to know.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

To which you may care to offer an answer rather than go blah-blah-blah.
And a reason for you answer would also be required.

My post may have read like I was criticizing you... well... eh... who am I kidding, I was. The real meaning of text you misread (then wrongfully quoted and attempted to dissect) should have been blatantly obvious to anyone with even something like a 7th grade reading level.

Also, I wasn't the one being questioned. Why should I be required to give an answer to the question? I don't care. What I do care about is you having chased after someone based on a silly misunderstanding. "Misunderstanding" being your wrongful interpretation of the post, and "silly" being you.

 

[Polymath257]

i don't have a single failed argument.

You don't have a single argument.

 

[Polymath257]

atheists think they are the only intelligent beings in the universe. am i wrong?

yes, you are wrong.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

atheists deny a creator god but they don't deny their own being. why and how do we exist then, if not for a creating power? so atheists believe that only themselves exist, and the creation power is imaginary. atheism is totally wrong. they deny the creator god, and they think that only their own temporary being exists. how atheism has followers is strange.

I realise this will probably not fit with your concepts on philosophy and religion, but you don't 'follow' atheism. It's a lack of theism.

Atheists hold to various philosophies on life. I guess you're saying something like 'materialism doesn't make sense to you'.

Fair enough.

I'm sure a bunch of other religious and philosophical beliefs ALSO don't make sense to you, right?

 

[David T]

atheists deny a creator god but they don't deny their own being. why and how do we exist then, if not for a creating power? so atheists believe that only themselves exist, and the creation power is imaginary. atheism is totally wrong. they deny the creator god, and they think that only their own temporary being exists. how atheism has followers is strange.

Atheists are fine they are baptist without jesus so what. Maybe Presbyterian even. What non denominational are you? Joel osteen?.

 

[Father Heathen]

May I change your post...

Atheists deny a flying teapot but they don't deny their own being. why and how do we exist then, if not for a flying teapot? So atheists believe that only themselves exist, and the flying teapot is imaginary. atheism is totally wrong. they deny the flying teapot, and they think that only their own temporary being exists. how atheism has followers is strange.

It makes just as much sense in that format

Syo's asinine posts aside, this comparison doesn't makes sense because, fictitious or not, gods are defined as creator beings, whereas teapots are inanimate objects. Superman is a work of fiction, yet saying that he can leap tall buildings in a single bound wouldn't be as nonsensical as saying toasters can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

But yes, Syo's posts are nonsensical garbage.

 

[QuestioningMind]

atheists deny a creator god but they don't deny their own being. why and how do we exist then, if not for a creating power? so atheists believe that only themselves exist, and the creation power is imaginary. atheism is totally wrong. they deny the creator god, and they think that only their own temporary being exists. how atheism has followers is strange.

I have no reason to believe that there is a creator god. I exist because my parents procreated. I believe that I exist and I ALSO believe that other people exist. I DO NOT believe that only my own temporary being exists. Why are you making up all sorts of ridiculous stuff about what atheists think and believe? It's really rather childish.

 

[QuestioningMind]

i mean, atheists think that themselves are real but what created them is imaginary.

Nope, my parents are NOT imaginary. They are very real. Why do you keep pretending as if you know what atheists think?

 

[QuestioningMind]

we can't suggest that our short lifespan is all there is. there must be something greater than us that lasts forever.

Yes, we CAN suggest that this short lifespan is all there is and NO, there is no evidence that there must be something greater that lasts forever. When you make silly statements with no evidence to back it up, you're just making silly statements.

 

[QuestioningMind]

god lasts forever and he creates. that's all there is.

In other words you have no actual reason to believe it, you just do. How silly.

 

[Altfish]

Syo's asinine posts aside, this comparison doesn't makes sense because, fictitious or not, gods are defined as creator beings, whereas teapots are inanimate objects. Superman is a work of fiction, yet saying that he can leap tall buildings in a single bound wouldn't be as nonsensical as saying toasters can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

But yes, Syo's posts are nonsensical garbage.

To be honest it wasn't meant to be something that would stand up to scrutiny, that wasn't the point. The point was to post some similar mumbo-jumbo in order to highlight the absurdity of the original post.

 

[suncowiam]

Well atheists at least acknowledge the greatest mystery; why does anything exist? They leave the mystery at that, which is logically fine.

I believe from my spiritual studies that we can know a more about this mystery from the experiences and teachings of the spiritually more advanced. I call this understanding God/Brahman myself.

Atheists do not deny there is a reason for existence. They just don't define an answer that cannot be supported outside of assumptions and speculation which Theists tend to do.

Your assumptions and speculations are no better than the next man.

I seriously mean this next part with much sincerity. Good for you if it helps you to get through your days easier. It doesn't work for everyone the same way.

 

[Orbit]

atheists deny a creator god but they don't deny their own being. why and how do we exist then, if not for a creating power? so atheists believe that only themselves exist, and the creation power is imaginary. atheism is totally wrong. they deny the creator god, and they think that only their own temporary being exists. how atheism has followers is strange.

Atheism is just the lack of a belief in gods. Nothing more or less is implied.