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Do any Christians disagree with this...

Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
HoldemDB9 said:
Zhakir, by saying this: People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not.

Do you actually mean:people who can beleive or not, have the same chance.

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No, Asking this question after
you said:

Quote:
Yes, that is right. Of course people who have the chance to believe or not can either believe or not.
replying to:
Originally Posted by Zhakir
People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

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HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
No, Asking this question after
you said:

Quote:
Yes, that is right. Of course people who have the chance to believe or not can either believe or not.
replying to:
Originally Posted by Zhakir
People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

?
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You are making no sense. Of course people who have the same chance can either believe or not. And people who have different chances can also believe or not.

If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims. Then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
HoldemDB9 said:
You are making no sense. Of course people who have the same chance can either believe or not. And people who have different chances can also believe or not.

If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims. Then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
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Contradictions again? i hate it when that happens,
If i agree with this logic
then If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
And this contradicts with the underlined fact you adimt,people who have the same chance can either believe or not
These two things can't be both right at the same time
Then i will not agree with your logic, and your "proof" falls a part.
Don't get mad,please try to understand
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
 
HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
Contradictions again? i hate it when that happens,
If i agree with this logic
then If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
And this contradicts with the underlined fact you adimt,people who have the same chance can either believe or not
These two things can't be both right at the same time
Then i will not agree with your logic, and your "proof" falls a part.
Don't get mad,please try to understand
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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I don't think you understand what I am saying. YES I can believe those two things at the same time and that is NOT a contradiction. I think I know what you mean though, you are just wording it wrong.

Is this what you mean...

Everyone can either choose to be Muslim or not, so everyone has an equal chance of becoming Muslim.

Please answer, is this what you mean? Do you agree with the above statement?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Is this what you mean...

Everyone can either choose to be Muslim or not, so everyone has an equal chance of becoming Muslim.

Please answer, is this what you mean? Do you agree with the above statement?
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No,not at all
people who have the same chance can either believe or not
that's what i mean
That's one,two
YES I can believe those two things at the same time and that is NOT a contradiction
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prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
You can't!
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
 
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Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Zhakir said:
No,not at all
people who have the same chance can either believe or not
that's what i mean
That's one,two

prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
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Yeah, the problem is, you can't make yourself believe something. Beliefs are not subject to the will, you either have been convinced somehow that these things are true, or you just don't believe.
 
HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
No,not at all
people who have the same chance can either believe or not
that's what i mean
That's one,two

prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
You can't!
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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You are making absolutley no sense whatsoever. Dont you understand english?

People who have the same chance to become Muslim can choose to either be Muslim or not. Is this what you want me to say?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
YES I can believe those two things at the same time and that is NOT a contradiction
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people who have the same chance can either believe or not

prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
If You can't! then admit Allah is just. Here is Quran,bible,vedas ,atheism
god wanted it to be a one's personal choice
we all who knew this message have te same chance
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
 
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HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
You can't!
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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As I said above, I have no idea what you are saying. This is what I am saying...

Those who have an equal chance to become Muslim, can either believe or not believe in Islam. AND..

If everyone had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.

Do you think that those two above statements contradict each other?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
YES I can believe those two things at the same time and that is NOT a contradiction
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people who have the same chance can either believe or not

prove to me that the fact up there you admit doesn't contradict with
If everyone had the same chance to become Muslims.Then every body in the world will be a muslim not only would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country.
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

I said prove not repeat.
If You can't! then admit Allah is just. Here is Quran,bible,vedas ,atheism
god wanted it to be a one's personal choice
we all who knew this message have te same chance to accept or not.
It's better to admit
 
HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Im trying to be patient with you here. You are making no sense so all I am trying to do is clarify what your position is. These are the 2 things that I am saying..

1) Those who have an equal chance to become Muslim, can either believe or not believe in Islam. AND..

2) If everyone had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.

Do you think that those two above statements contradict each other?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
let's agree to the frst part
Those who have an equal chance to become Muslim
If everyone had an equal chance to become Muslim
Ok?
after that could it "be"
then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.
though those people can either believe or not believe in Islam
???
No
then admit Allah is just. Here is Quran,bible,vedas ,atheism
god wanted it to be a one's personal choice
we all who knew this message have te same chance to accept or not.
It's better to admit
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HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
let's agree to the frst part
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What do you mean, "let's agree"? I am just telling you what I am saying.

1) Those who have an equal chance to become Muslim, can either believe or not believe in Islam. AND..

2) If everyone had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.

That is what I am saying. Do you have a problem with me saying those two things? Is it a contradiction to you?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Prove this isn't a contradiction
after that could it "be"
then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.
though those people can either believe or not believe in Islam
???
No
then admit Allah is just. Here is Quran,bible,vedas ,atheism
god wanted it to be a one's personal choice
we all who knew this message have te same chance to accept or not.
It's better to admit
 
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HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
after that could it "be"
then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.
though those people can either believe or not believe in Islam
???
No
then admit Allah is just. Here is Quran,bible,vedas ,atheism
god wanted it to be a one's personal choice
we all who knew this message have te same chance to accept or not.
It's better to admit
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after what it could be? WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

Will you just answer?
 
Zhakir

Zhakir

Peace&Tolerance
Prove this isn't a contradiction

there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.
though those people can either believe or not believe in Islam.
 
HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
Prove this isn't a contradiction

there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.
though those people can either believe or not believe in Islam.
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You don't understand English. I don't know why you think this is a contradiction, but is so obviously isn't.

The first part is saying that if everyone on the planet had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet. This is a fact.

The second part is saying that everyone has the choice to accept or reject Islam.

Understand?
 
HoldemDB9

HoldemDB9

Active Member
Zhakir said:
It's not if
those people can either believe or not believe in Islam

Clear?
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Yes I know that they can either believe or not. I know that they have a choice. But it is still a fact.

Listen carefully, because I want to clarify this. This is what I am saying...

If everyone on the planet had an equal chance to become Muslim, then (unless due to a VERY RARE coincidence) there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet.

Yes or no, just to clarify, do you agree with the above statement in bold? Yes or no?
 
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