Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
They believe in Quran %100 of them,follow it's teachings (but not all)
but %0 of christians believe in the bible ,and (in our time) %0 of them follow it
do you need examples?
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Do any Christians disagree with this...
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They believe in Quran %100 of them,follow it's teachings (but not all)
but %0 of christians believe in the bible ,and (in our time) %0 of them follow it
do you need examples?
HoldemDB9
Active Member
I asked you, "Are you saying that there is no body on the planet who believes the Bible? And you answered...
Then you say that nobody on the planet believes the Bible, which is a direct contradiction of what you said above.
Then you say that nobody on the planet believes the Bible, which is a direct contradiction of what you said above.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Holy Guano Batman! I just LOVE being completely ignored. I have come into this thread, made fabulous points, and have been completely ignored. Zhakir and certain others refuse to even acknowledged my posts. I guess I can take that to mean that they know I am right and can simply not debate one point I made, but it still ruffles my feathers and I wonder why I even flew in here.
HoldemDB9
Active Member
I can understand your frustration. And your right, the ONLY explanation is that they realize that you are right and they are wrong, but they just don't have the decency to admit it, so they completely ignore you.
Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
Sorry That "no" means :no one does
No one believes in the bible,but it's my mistake, you said"Are you saying......" not "does any ....."
Sorry again
ayani
member
Holdem ~
i know we've talked about this a few times before, but here is my take as a Christian, based on Jesus' own words.
check out Matthew 25:31-46. note how Jesus says "all the nations". this means all peoples, including, of course, non-Christians. and look at how Jesus judges the peoples. not based on their faith label, but based on how they love and treated one another, especially the poor and suffering. and look at how Jesus rewards and punishes each group.
now, Jesus also says that "no one comes to the Father but through Me". this means that we can not be personally reconciled to God except through His Son, who reconciles our humanity to God's holiness, gives us the Holy Spirit, and the right to be called children of God. God, in effect, wants us to hear and believe in and follow His Son. without Jesus, we remain estranged from God, no matter how devotedly we may believe in His existence.
Jesus also promises those who believe in Him and are faithful to Him a place in His kingdom. He has overcome death, evil, and sin, and promises that we will share in His victory with Him, too. that's a promise only He can give, and assure us of. we can never be assured if we've done enough good or lived kindly enough. we are so imperfect, so frail, and so wrong so often. but we can trust that Jesus has done all he has promised, and can and will bring us there.
this doesn't mean that how we live doesn't matter to God. clearly it does. or that God does not care about or notice the good deeds and kindness and purposefully lived lives of Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, Muslims, and Agnostics. or that he will condemn us to hell for not having hear of or believed in His Son. but He does want us to know and follow Jesus, and Jesus does promise us a place with Him on the right side of things in the life to come.
i know we've talked about this a few times before, but here is my take as a Christian, based on Jesus' own words.
check out Matthew 25:31-46. note how Jesus says "all the nations". this means all peoples, including, of course, non-Christians. and look at how Jesus judges the peoples. not based on their faith label, but based on how they love and treated one another, especially the poor and suffering. and look at how Jesus rewards and punishes each group.
now, Jesus also says that "no one comes to the Father but through Me". this means that we can not be personally reconciled to God except through His Son, who reconciles our humanity to God's holiness, gives us the Holy Spirit, and the right to be called children of God. God, in effect, wants us to hear and believe in and follow His Son. without Jesus, we remain estranged from God, no matter how devotedly we may believe in His existence.
Jesus also promises those who believe in Him and are faithful to Him a place in His kingdom. He has overcome death, evil, and sin, and promises that we will share in His victory with Him, too. that's a promise only He can give, and assure us of. we can never be assured if we've done enough good or lived kindly enough. we are so imperfect, so frail, and so wrong so often. but we can trust that Jesus has done all he has promised, and can and will bring us there.
this doesn't mean that how we live doesn't matter to God. clearly it does. or that God does not care about or notice the good deeds and kindness and purposefully lived lives of Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, Muslims, and Agnostics. or that he will condemn us to hell for not having hear of or believed in His Son. but He does want us to know and follow Jesus, and Jesus does promise us a place with Him on the right side of things in the life to come.
HoldemDB9
Active Member
So you believe that it is possible for a non-Christian to enter heaven?
ayani
member
HoldemDB9
Active Member
So when people say "I'm a Christian, I have faith and believe in the Bible", are they lying?
HoldemDB9
Active Member
Well then I see no contradiction, problem or flaw in your beliefs.
Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
Yes they are.
ayani
member
the idea that God would condemn people to hell for never having heard of Jesus makes no sense, and frankly much that Jesus said indicates just the opposite.
God does know us, inside and out. He knows that not everyone will get to hear about and believe in His Son. still, He is willing that none should perish, and that all should come to know. not just in the next life, but in this life as well.
it is Jesus' resurrection from the dead which means He is a knowable, real, specific person, fully God and fully man, and still just as able now as ever to reconcile us to God, make us whole, and give new life.
so many Christians talk primarily about heaven, and how lovely it will be. yes, surely. but what of knowing and following Jesus in this life? what of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, loving one's neighbor, knowing the joy and blessedness of forgiving an enemy from the heart, and having the privilege to commune with God in Spirit-lead prayer, and Bible study?
all of these things are wonderful too, and part of Christian life. so, i don't worry too much about the life to come. i know Jesus has promised me a place in His Kingdom. i have His Word, in the Bible, and also on my heart. i follow Him day by day as best i'm able, with God's help. and it's a fruitful, blessed, and joyful path.
Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed, for His compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is Your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:22-23)
God does know us, inside and out. He knows that not everyone will get to hear about and believe in His Son. still, He is willing that none should perish, and that all should come to know. not just in the next life, but in this life as well.
it is Jesus' resurrection from the dead which means He is a knowable, real, specific person, fully God and fully man, and still just as able now as ever to reconcile us to God, make us whole, and give new life.
so many Christians talk primarily about heaven, and how lovely it will be. yes, surely. but what of knowing and following Jesus in this life? what of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, loving one's neighbor, knowing the joy and blessedness of forgiving an enemy from the heart, and having the privilege to commune with God in Spirit-lead prayer, and Bible study?
all of these things are wonderful too, and part of Christian life. so, i don't worry too much about the life to come. i know Jesus has promised me a place in His Kingdom. i have His Word, in the Bible, and also on my heart. i follow Him day by day as best i'm able, with God's help. and it's a fruitful, blessed, and joyful path.
Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed, for His compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is Your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:22-23)
HoldemDB9
Active Member
Ok, that's that. I would not like to continue the discussion with you. I am 100% convinced that you are either or troll or that you are mentally unstable, neither are good to debate with.
Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
Then, I won the debate
Quran 17:81
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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HoldemDB9
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Yes, this is my proof.
Why claiming that this is proof,while at the same time you said:
replying to:
Originally Posted by Zhakir
People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer
Yes that is my proof AND I know that people who have the same chance can either believe or not. What are you trying to say?
This is what YOU are saying, not me. And do you realize why it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?