Do any Christians disagree with this...

[Draka]

And I bet if you measure growth in terms of average weight of its adherents, Islam and Paganism don't have anything on the Holy Church of Pie.

They even have their own hymns

YouTube - ANDIE MacDOWELL-THE PIE SONG-from "MICHAEL"

 

[roli]

roli, I am saying that not all get an equal chance in this life to become Christian. I have shown you undeniable proof that not all get an equal chance to become Christian, and you come back by telling me that all do get an equal chance, which was the point I was arguing against in the first place. Therefore your post is 100% meaningless, it's just a repeat of your first response.

Now just as I expected, you did not answer my question. Do you believe that there is the same percentage of Christians in every country on the planet? Pretty simple question, yes or no?

Obviously there are not the same amount of Christians in every country around the globe.
Why is it you worry so much about other's souls.....be concerned and fear for your own man !!!
God gives equal opportunity to all people in all circumstances and cultures, it's just that you'll never get the full handle on how he does that.
It's nice that your concerned, but there is a radical conversion rate of people around the globe turing to Christ and experiencing what it is to know Him and the pwoer of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings..they counted the costs
Rom 2:11For God does not show favoritism.
Rom 2:4Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

 

[Katzpur]

Oh, and personally, I reject them altogether...period.

Christianity or Christians?

 

[Draka]

Katzpur, this:

Oh, and personally, I reject them altogether...period. I don't make any of it to fit my own interpretation. See, that's the benefit of not being a Christian at all. Real, fake or otherwise. :beach:

Was in response to precisely this:

Let me ask you ,do you read over these scriptures,read them out of context or do you just simply reject them all together and make them to fit your own interpretation.

In other words, I was referring to rejecting the scriptures personally. I don't reject Christians (well, not the reasonable and sane ones who don't feel the need to preach constantly) and as for Christianity, it can be a nice enough religion depending on the denomination, so I don't reject it altogether either. I just personally reject the scriptures it is based on. Which is why I'm not a Christian.

 

[Deftide]

I think that if a person is so cut off from the rest of the world and a Christian or missionary never reaches them that if they acknowledge the fact of a God existing and believe in it that they would be saved.

But now if were talking about say a family of Muslims and if a member of that family converts to Christianity that person would be cut off. Then I would say that there is unfair pressure to switch faiths.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Obviously there are not the same amount of Christians in every country around the globe.

Ok, thank you for answering.

Now, do you realize what you have just said? You have just said that there is not an equal percentage of Christians in each country, right?

And do you realize that if everyone got an EQUAL chance, then there would be an EQUAL percentage of Christians in EVERY country on the planet?

Like you said there is not the same percentage of Christians in every country, therefore not everyone has had an equal chance of becoming Christian. You have just admitted that your God is unfair.

 

[Zhakir]

What on earth are you talking about? Just answer that question for a second, what on earth are you talking about? Why do I always get people like you to debate with. Will you just answer the God dam question: Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim? Yes or no, just answer please.

I was answering

So I will kindly ask again, please clarify. Are you saying that there is no body on the planet who believes the Bible? Yes or no? Simple question

In what bet may I lose a lot of money? Again, what on earth are you talking about? Are you drunk or something? Ill ask you again, why wouldn't you take the bet?

Please!

 

[Zhakir]

You can probably find about the same number of Muslims who believe that the Sun has a setting-place and rising-place on Earth, as described in Chapter 18 of the Quran.

No
Quran
18:17
And thou mightest have seen the sun when it rose move away from their cave to the right, and when it set go past them on the left, andthey were in the cleft thereof. That was (one) of the portents of Allah. Hewhom Allah guideth, he indeed is led aright, and he whom He sendeth astray,for him thou wilt not find a guiding friend.

Quran Miracles | ALL AFLOAT IN ORBITS
Quran Miracles | DEATH OF THE STARS AND THE SUN
Quran Miracles | ROLLING THE NIGHT OVER THE DAY

 

[Katzpur]

And do you realize that if everyone got an EQUAL chance, then there would be an EQUAL percentage of Christians in EVERY country on the planet?

Like you said there is not the same percentage of Christians in every country, therefore not everyone has had an equal chance of becoming Christian. You have just admitted that your God is unfair.

Maybe God just grouped all of the "bad guys" (i.e. the non-Christians) together, Holdem. Since He obviously knew who He'd chosen to be saved before the world began, maybe he just put most of the "good guys" (i.e. the Christians) in certain parts of the world and the bad guys in other parts of the world.

 

[HoldemDB9]

I was answering


Please!

I've asked you this question twice now and you still have not answered. 3rd time maybe? Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim? Yes or no, just answer please.

And the other question, WHY would you not take the bet?

Will you PLEASE just answer the questions.

 

[HoldemDB9]

Maybe God just grouped all of the "bad guys" (i.e. the non-Christians) together, Holdem. Since He obviously knew who He'd chosen to be saved before the world began, maybe he just put most of the "good guys" (i.e. the Christians) in certain parts of the world and the bad guys in other parts of the world.

Maybe, but the point still remains. roli is saying that all of these "bad guys" are getting an equal chance to become Christian as all of the "good guys". But the percentages (which he accepts) say otherwise. Unless the numbers are the way they are due to sheer coincidence, it is an undeniable fact that not everyone has an equal chance to "choose" Christianity.

 

[HoldemDB9]

God gives equal opportunity to all people in all circumstances and cultures

Surely roli, you realize that you CANNOT say this WHILST accepting that there are different percentages of Christians in different countries.

If everyone had an equal chance, then the percentages would be equal. And the percentages are not equal. Simple as that, I would be shocked if you did not understand.

 

[Zhakir]

Not all of those who grow up with the bible remain christians, aren't you one of them?!.
some pass Allah's test and some do not, this is the point
About that bet ,i replied to you but you didn't.

*About that bet,the reason i said no was "i believe in that verse i quoted.
Not what you think
you will find many converted believe me.in USA According to a 2007 survey, 78.4% of adults identified themselves as christian down from 86.4% in 1990.And you know that th fastest growing religion in USA is islam in Allah alone knows the number of converts later.
48:28
It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religions ; and Allah is enough for a witness.

in that bet you may lose alot of money

count that as "i accept the bet"

 

[HoldemDB9]

Not all of those who grow up with the bible remain christians, aren't you one of them?!.

Thanks for sharing this information with me. Unfortunately it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Now for the 4th time I will ask you the question which you have not answered. Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim? Yes or no, just answer please. Did you hear that? Just answer with a yes or a no.

some pass Allah's test and some do not, this is the point

Yes and what I'm saying is that not all get an equal chance to pass Allah's test.

About that bet ,i replied to you but you didn't.

count that as "i accept the bet"

So you've changed your mind and now you would accept the bet?

And what have I not answered to? Please tell me so that I can answer again, because I don't see any question.

 

[Zhakir]

So you've changed your mind and now you would accept the bet?

And what have I not answered to? Please tell me so that I can answer again, because I don't see any question.

If you read what i wrote

*About that bet,the reason i said no was "i believe in that verse i quoted.
Not what you think
you will find many converted believe me.in USA According to a 2007 survey, 78.4% of adults identified themselves as christian down from 86.4% in 1990.And you know that th fastest growing religion in USA is islam in Allah alone knows the number of converts later.
48:28
It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religions ; and Allah is enough for a witness.

in that bet you may lose alot of money

and because of what you think i will accept it.

 

[Zhakir]

Thanks for sharing this information with me. Unfortunately it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Now for the 4th time I will ask you the question which you have not answered. Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim? Yes or no, just answer please. Did you hear that? Just answer with a yes or a no.

What part of "some of those remain christians and some convert" or "islam is the fastest growing religion in the christian world and the world" you don't get?

 

[HoldemDB9]

If you read what i wrote

and because of what you think i will accept it.

So you will take the bet then? Yes or no?

What part of "some of those remain christians and some convert" or "islam is the fastest growing religion in the christian world and the world" you don't get?

I get all of it. Do you want me to admit it just so you know what I mean when I say that I get it? Well I will anyway. YES, I know that some of those Christians in America convert and YES I know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the Christian world.

Now this is starting to annoy me. I've asked you this question 4 or 5 times and you just wont answer. Again, all that's required is a simple yes or no, NOT random verses from your holy book.

Please please please please please answer, is that enough? Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim?

Do you know what "more likely" means? For your information, it does not mean "definitely".

 

[Zhakir]

So you will take the bet then? Yes or no?



I get all of it. Do you want me to admit it just so you know what I mean when I say that I get it? Well I will anyway. YES, I know that some of those Christians in America convert and YES I know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the Christian world.

Now this is starting to annoy me. I've asked you this question 4 or 5 times and you just wont answer. Again, all that's required is a simple yes or no, NOT random verses from your holy book.

Please please please please please answer, is that enough? Do you accept that people brought up with the Bible are more likely to become Christian and people brought up with the Quran are more likely to become Muslim?

Do you know what "more likely" means? For your information, it does not mean "definitely".

****yes
****some questions can't be answerd with yes or no,and need more than that.
but i promise you ,i will answer with "yes or no"if you agree with me that a christian is a one believes in the bible and follow it's teachings and similarly a muslim.
because all those who "grow up with bible" aren't christians according to this definition,not muslim's case.
don't get mad,it's important,do you agree?.

 

[BucephalusBB]

because all those who "grow up with bible" aren't christians according to this definition,not muslim's case.

Respectfully, what's the muslim's case then?

 

[HoldemDB9]

****yes
****some questions can't be answerd with yes or no,and need more than that.
but i promise you ,i will answer with "yes or no"if you agree with me that a christian is a one believes in the bible and follow it's teachings and similarly a muslim.
because all those who "grow up with bible" aren't christians according to this definition,not muslim's case.
don't get mad,it's important,do you agree?.

I see your point. Your telling me that some people who call themselves Christian, are not actually Christian, I AGREE with you. And Id actually say that it is MOST Christians who are like this. So yes, I agree with you. And I will also agree with you that, although I'm not entirely sure about this, it certainly does seem to me as if this is not the case with Muslims. Muslims certainly do seem more religious and less "fake", than the vast majority of Christians. But this has nothing to do with the thread.

Now will you please answer my question, and it can be answered with a yes or no.