Do any Christians disagree with this...

[Draka]

The gospels and most of the writers speak of false conversions, including Jesus, could it possibly be that there are those who will call themselves Christian but will be tossed out or rejected from the the Kingdom.

..perhaps you should reread the scriptures, Jesus himself said ..Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Let me ask you ,do you read over these scriptures,read them out of context or do you just simply reject them all together and make them to fit your own interpretation.

Yep, I was right. "Real Christians" and "Fake Christians". :sarcastic

Oh, and personally, I reject them altogether...period. I don't make any of it to fit my own interpretation. See, that's the benefit of not being a Christian at all. Real, fake or otherwise. :beach:

 

[Beaudreaux]

Of COURSE I don't know who specifically will actually enter heaven - do you?

It's not my job or my inclination to judge the souls of other people.

I don't believe anyone asked you WHO would enter heaven. The question was does everyone have an equal chance to get into heaven. It is hard to believe that a young boy brought up in Iran and sent to a Muslim school by his parents would have the same chance to become a Christian as a similar boy raised in the U.S. Bible Belt.

 

[HoldemDB9]

No not a must, the education and the media is not the same. read the verses of chapter 4 of the quran again ,but don't you know that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,give it some time and it will be the largest as said in Quran

Yes it is a must, and if you could understand 5th grade math, you would understand why. If everyone in the world had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet. This is an undeniable fact.

But you call it "coincidence" though you didn't really meet all theses people,Allah tested every human being,and gave them same chances, sure now it's your turn , many accepted it many did not i reat it's the fastes growing religion

No I am not calling it a coincidence, I'm not that stupid. You are the one who is calling it a coincidence. Again, here you say that Allah has gave everyone an equal chance to accept him, whist at the same time accepting that there is not the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet. That makes no sense.

Your God has not gave everyone an equal chance to become Muslim, since there is not the same percentage of Muslim in America as there is in Saudi Arabia. Simple as that really. Again, you've admitted that your God is unjust. I don't know why you cant get this extraordinarily simple fact into your head, maybe your just being dishonest.

 

[Zhakir]

Yes it is a must, and if you could understand 5th grade math, you would understand why. If everyone in the world had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet. This is an undeniable fact.

One question
can't you see that people who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not?

 

[BucephalusBB]

One question
can't you see that people who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not?

The fact that there are 2 options does not mean they are equally divided..

 

[Zhakir]

people who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.

 

[BucephalusBB]

people who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.

People with a different chance can also believe or not.. What's your point?

This was about a non-christian (Or whatever other faith) person growing up in a non-christian environment. He will grow up with other information than the christian one and does have a smaller chance of becoming a christian than a person who starts reading the children version of the bible when they are 6. If chances are different, it's not going to be 50-50..

 

[Zhakir]

People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

You presumably think that's a clever question. Sad ...

The fact is:

People with the same chance can believe it or not.
People with dissimilar chances can believe it or not.​

Your point?

 

[Zhakir]

People with the same chance can believe it or not.

This why the muslims precentage isn't the same in different countries.though they have the same chance.
And this Holdm's "undeniable" fact

If everyone in the world had an equal chance to become Muslim, then there would be the same percentage of Muslims in every country on the planet. This is an undeniable fact.

is totally wrong.

 

[BucephalusBB]

People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

People who have the same chance in what? If you really want to do it the official way..

This why the muslims precentage isn't the same in different countries.though they have the same chance.
And this Holdm's "undeniable" fact

is totally wrong.

Do you agree with me that somebody who never heard of the Quran or Allah can never know exactly what the islam is all about. (Keep your eyes on my "exactly".)

 

[Zhakir]

Do you agree with me that somebody who never heard of the Quran or Allah can never know exactly what the islam is all about. (Keep your eyes on my "exactly".)

That's explanis every thing you didn't read my post
please read page 11
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/79274-do-any-christians-disagree-11.html

 

[BucephalusBB]

That's explanis every thing you didn't read my post
please read page 11
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/79274-do-any-christians-disagree-11.html

The message rejection thing?

Unless God comes down personally to give you an experience, it is unknown for a person if the quran is right or wrong. You need to have faith in it and then follow it, right?

The same applies to the bible, for example ofcourse. You are going to reject at least one of them if you want to follow them precisely, right? Don't you think that, in avarage, People growing up with the bible will most likelly follow the bible and people growing up with the quran will most likelly grow up with the quran?

 

[Zhakir]

The message rejection thing?

Unless God comes down personally to give you an experience, it is unknown for a person if the quran is right or wrong. You need to have faith in it and then follow it, right?

The same applies to the bible, for example ofcourse. You are going to reject at least one of them if you want to follow them precisely, right? Don't you think that, in avarage, People growing up with the bible will most likelly follow the bible and people growing up with the quran will most likelly grow up with the quran?

Not if we have his word

WE LIVE IN AN EXPANDING UNIVERSE

THE POINT OF DEPARTURE OF OUR ODYSSEY

WE ARE CREATED OUT OF NOTHING

THE UNIVERSE IN GASEOUS STATE

PERFECT ORBITS

ATOM AND SUBATOMIC PARTICLES

BLACK HOLES:MIGHTY OATH

PULSARS
EARTHQUAKES’

Quran Miracles - Miracles of the Qur'an

 

[BucephalusBB]

Not if we have his word

WE LIVE IN AN EXPANDING UNIVERSE

THE POINT OF DEPARTURE OF OUR ODYSSEY

WE ARE CREATED OUT OF NOTHING

THE UNIVERSE IN GASEOUS STATE

PERFECT ORBITS

ATOM AND SUBATOMIC PARTICLES

BLACK HOLES:MIGHTY OATH

PULSARS
EARTHQUAKES’

Quran Miracles - Miracles of the Qur'an

So... You point out some websites.. All from a Quransite.. Don't you see how that is totally not impressive? Not even talking about the tons of people so poor they don't have internet or a computer..

 

[HoldemDB9]

Maybe you should let God reveal himself to mankind as he see's fit and how he does this is his business, not for you to base a theology and ongoiong arguement over.
It appears you have some issue with this as if it's a personal matter
You have been repeating this thread and the question for months and every answer is never enough, you respond with asking the same question..over and over
Regardless of the chance that we all will have to be reconciled to God ,it will be given and it will be either rejected or accepted based on how God chooses to reveal himself.

Romans 1 says .."For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

roli, I am saying that not all get an equal chance in this life to become Christian. I have shown you undeniable proof that not all get an equal chance to become Christian, and you come back by telling me that all do get an equal chance, which was the point I was arguing against in the first place. Therefore your post is 100% meaningless, it's just a repeat of your first response.

Now just as I expected, you did not answer my question. Do you believe that there is the same percentage of Christians in every country on the planet? Pretty simple question, yes or no?

 

[HoldemDB9]

People who have the same chance,can ethier believe or not. right or wrong?.
answer

Yes, that is right. Of course people who have the chance to believe or not can either believe or not.

This why the muslims precentage isn't the same in different countries.though they have the same chance.

How stupid can you get? If they had the same, equal chance, then the percentage of Muslims would be equal in EVERY country, UNLESS the percentages are the way they are due to a zillion to 1 coincidence.

And this Holdm's "undeniable" fact

is totally wrong.

No its not, and Id bet that the average 10 year old could understand. If everyone in the USA had THE SAME CHANCE at becoming Muslim as everyone is Saudi Arabia, then there would be the SAME percentage of Muslims in BOTH countries, since they BOTH had the exact SAME chance.

Would you take this bet? We pick 100 babies who are born in America and we follow them through life, for everyone that becomes Christian you give me $100 and for everyone that becomes Muslim I give you $300. You should take this bet since you believe that people born in America are not more likely to become Christian than Muslim. Yes or no, simple question, would you take this bet? Just answer with a yes or a no please. Ill say it one more time since I know how far people go to avoid questions like this, yes or no, would you take this bet?

 

[HoldemDB9]

Don't you think that, in avarage, People growing up with the bible will most likelly follow the bible and people growing up with the quran will most likelly grow up with the quran?

See how he did not answer to this part? Its because it's impossible to answer this question with a "no" since we have stats that show that the vast majority of religious people end up following the religion that is most popular in their country.

And if he answers your question with a "yes", then he is admitting that God is unfair. It's a lose lose situation for him, which is why he did not answer.

I ask you please Zhakir, to not be ignorant, and answer Bouncing Ball's question.

 

[Zhakir]

Don't you think that, in avarage, People growing up with the bible will most likelly follow the bible and people growing up with the quran will most likelly grow up with the quran?

No...

 

[HoldemDB9]

No...

Sorry, like I said you cannot answer this question with a "no" since it is an undeniable fact...

Most people brought up with the Bible become Christians, not Muslims. Most people brought up with the Quran become Muslims, not Christians.

I cannot believe that you claim to deny this, Ill have to assume that your are just being dishonest, since no body who has the ability to go on the internet and sign up to a forum can be THIS unbelievable dumb.