Do atheists justify the holocaust of over 6 million Jews because "religion is evil"?

[stvdv]

Hitler is known for "Arian race is superior"
Others have said "Jews are the chosen people"

I have always claimed it's trouble
"My religion is better than yours"

Whether or not atheist think this or that
Better stop making those dangerous claims

That actually isn't saying Jews are superior to others

Jealousy is dominant emotion

 

[blü 2]

when the Nuremberg Trials took place, it was the atheist Soviet Union which took the harshest stance towards the Germans. They wanted to punish Germany much more severely for their crimes in WW2, but the Allies took a softer approach.

That's correct, but if you'd like to understand the complexities of why, you might do worse than read Beavor's book Stalingrad.

This particular disagreement led to major impasse which would quickly turn into a Cold War.

Not quite. The evidence is there that Stalin wanted buffer states between USSR and Europe from earlier, and in effect got Allied agreement for them at Yalta. However, the desire of the Soviets for more than that eg Greece, and the breaking of undertakings that returned Soviet refugees and prisoners would not be punished if returned to USSR, and the events leading to the Berlin airlift, plus the USSR's systematic efforts for the spread of communism worldwide,Soviet military espionage in Europe, USA and elsewhere, and fairly soon, the USSR getting atom bombs, led to the Cold War.

In a sentence, USSR expansionist ambitions led to the Cold War.

 

[RESOLUTION]

I guess World War 2 was justified because a handful of Jews signed the 1918 armistice (sarcasm). Do atheists really believe a genocide was justified just because 6 million people happened to believe in Yahweh?

The post assumes without presenting evidence that the killing of 6 millions people is seen to be justified.

Facts are a much better way to represent or present the truth.

Atheists or believers do not believe that killing 6 million people is ever JUSTIFIED for a faith.

It might be suggested they were killed because Yahweh is the ONLY true God.

But it is more to the point that where an evil man is put in charge and good men do nothing then such things can happen.

But no atheist or believer could ever believe the murder of so many innocent men, women and children was anything but mans own evil and ignorance.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

The holocaust is an example of how religion can be evil. Not the religion of Jews, but the religion of Hitler (who had his own rather distorted view of Christianity) and that action was supported by a "Christian" nation. To make it clear, not all religion is evil but some definitely is.

Wrong.

Hitler had no real religion. He refers to his god invariably as the almighty. His god is not a deity at all, but power itself.

The last 100 years have been a lesson in the pitfalls of secularism.

First, we had colonialism followed by the forging of worldly alliances. This in turn led to a deadlock situation where an assassination created an international war (World War I).

Next, we had the state Shinto with its belief that the Emperor was a deity. While Shintoism is highly spiritual, this making of a physical person into a deity is nonsense. A king can be killed just as anyone else. This was a sort of materialism that valued the form over the spirit. Likewise, the Nazi cult was a fake religion, taking much of what Germans cared about and tugging on their heartstrings. But when examined closely, we find that far from being a perverted Christianity, it has nothing to do with the other. It is simply a mess of symbols (some of which from eastern religion) superimposed over a secular control system.

Then we have communism and the Cold War. Meanwhile, Lenin and Stalin together kill at least as many people as Hitler. Maoist China isn't hot either. Neither is Vietnam. All of these are secular states.

Then we have Islam. Islam is, on the surface, very religious, and often gets a free pass because it's just a different culture and "all cultures are equal." (No they aren't. If one religion produces fine art and science, and the other, like say the Vikings or Romans, kills and oppresses and steals, this is apples and oranges) But actually, Islam bears much in common with Mormon cult. But are leader-based sects, both have polygamy, and both have weird or restrictive garments.
Here's the thing. Islam's problem is once again secularism. It is concerned about stuff that is only physical, like what sort of clothing a woman wears, or ewww I got pig blood on me, I'll never be forgiven. It wants to spread its faith throughout the world. But this world doesn't matter. And like the others before them, until they learn this, even if they succeed, they still lose.

The Holocaust happened because of the teachings of Nietzsche and Darwin. Not because of religion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong.

Hitler had no real religion. He refers to his god invariably as the almighty. His god is not a deity at all, but power itself.

The last 100 years have been a lesson in the pitfalls of secularism.

First, we had colonialism followed by the forging of worldly alliances. This in turn led to a deadlock situation where an assassination created an international war (World War I).

Next, we had the state Shinto with its belief that the Emperor was a deity. While Shintoism is highly spiritual, this making of a physical person into a deity is nonsense. A king can be killed just as anyone else. This was a sort of materialism that valued the form over the spirit. Likewise, the Nazi cult was a fake religion, taking much of what Germans cared about and tugging on their heartstrings. But when examined closely, we find that far from being a perverted Christianity, it has nothing to do with the other. It is simply a mess of symbols (some of which from eastern religion) superimposed over a secular control system.

Then we have communism and the Cold War. Meanwhile, Lenin and Stalin together kill at least as many people as Hitler. Maoist China isn't hot either. Neither is Vietnam. All of these are secular states.

Then we have Islam. Islam is, on the surface, very religious, and often gets a free pass because it's just a different culture and "all cultures are equal." (No they aren't. If one religion produces fine art and science, and the other, like say the Vikings or Romans, kills and oppresses and steals, this is apples and oranges) But actually, Islam bears much in common with Mormon cult. But are leader-based sects, both have polygamy, and both have weird or restrictive garments.
Here's the thing. Islam's problem is once again secularism. It is concerned about stuff that is only physical, like what sort of clothing a woman wears, or ewww I got pig blood on me, I'll never be forgiven. It wants to spread its faith throughout the world. But this world doesn't matter. And like the others before them, until they learn this, even if they succeed, they still lose.

The Holocaust happened because of the teachings of Nietzsche and Darwin. Not because of religion.

You may want to claim that, but he always claimed to be a Christian. He did not like Catholicism or any organized church since it threatened his power base. But to say that he had no real religion is rather ignorant to say the least.

I can understand why Christians want to distance themselves from him. But if anything Hitler was a Christian and no other religion.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

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