Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

[dadman]

Dirty Penguin = "However you try to rationalize it ...
you've shown NO evidence that Islam is to be considered "fake""



whatever

 

[Dirty Penguin]

However you try to rationalize it ...
you've shown NO evidence that Islam is to be considered "fake"



whatever

I see. Propaganda is your evidence. It is very unfortunate how the religious interpret their scripture thus claiming to act in accordance or in the name of their god. This seems to be true of all religions on the planet...including Christianity. Death, destruction. segregation, prejudice and racism is alive and well in ALL. But none of it evidence to say one path is better than the other. Ultimately it's your choice as to which path you'll follow. While atrocities exist on all sides it has very little to do with the thread topic.

 

[dadman]

Dirty Penguin = "It is very unfortunate how the religious
( Penguin exempts himself .. what a joke )
interpret their scripture thus . . . blah

Fascism / Nazism / Communism . . . all secular

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
(Qur'an 8:12)

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[Wannabe Yogi]

But none of it evidence to say one path is better than the other. Ultimately it's your choice as to which path you'll follow. While atrocities exist on all sides it has very little to do with the thread topic.

It's the truth!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Dirty Penguin = "It is very unfortunate how the religious
( Penguin exempts himself .. what a joke )
interpret their scripture thus . . . blah

Fascism / Nazism / Communism . . . all secular

But that's just it. You're focusing on the fundamental side of " SOME Muslims"....While you have merit you forget that there are millions of Muslims that do not agree with the thoughts and actions of their brethren and are actively engaged in the fight against such behaviors. That's why I was careful to point out that this behavior isn't isolated to Islam. It exist in Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism...etc......

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Dirty Penguin = "It is very unfortunate how the religious
( Penguin exempts himself .. what a joke )
interpret their scripture thus . . . blah

Fascism / Nazism / Communism . . . all secular

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
(Qur'an 8:12)

Muhammad:
"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
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You must know that I could quote to you, in the bible, God tells the Jews to kill Women and Children. This type of thing is very nonproductive.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It exist in Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism...etc...... Whatever

Is this going to be your response to whatever you don't like to hear? It seems very childish...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty"

Qur'an, Sura 9:123

This particular thread isn't really to riff on quotes from the Quran because it can equally be matched with quotes from your bible. Try to go back and read it in context to the unbelievers of Medina. Now, try and remember when Moses came back with the commandments and saw his people worshiping "false gods" and fornicating etc. What did Moses do. Check the book of Chronicles and Kings and read what your god supposedly commanded.... (death, rape, plunder and slavery)....

Satan's children circle their wagons

In 2007 Islam and Judaism's holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time... while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.

So when one Jew gets a Nobel Prize..does this mean they all get one...?

Where's your picture of Jewish solders killing Muslims? Don't worry about posting them here. I just wanted to point out that the coin has two sides.

Muslim Nobel Prize Winners;

Jewish Nobel Prize Winner vs. Islamic Nobel Prize Winners | ✡ Jewish Internet Defense Force ✡
Literature
1988 - Najib Mahfooz.

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat (a terrorist)
2003 - Shrin Ebadi
2005 - Mohamed ElBaradei
2006 - Muhammad Yunus

Physics:
1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

Instead of tit for tat how about we stick to the thread question or shall we move on?

 

[Bowman]

Start a new thread. Put this information in an area where Muslims can address this. I'll be happy to dip in and comment.

Why not comment right now?

The answer is obvious...you can't.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Why not comment right now?

The answer is obvious...you can't.

I can but this thread does not need to be derailed any further on that particular topic. Start a new thread and I will pop right over.

The main question has been answered with a resounding YES..!!! Christians and Muslims DO worship the same god. This is self evident by the very translation of your bible into Arabic. Instead of Arabic speaking Christians giving a different name (title) to "God"...it is rendered as (Allah). Now that we got this matter out of the way...let me know when you start that thread on Yeshua (Isa) being the son of "Allah"...or "Allah" in the flesh..

 

[Bowman]

I can but this thread does not need to be derailed any further on that particular topic. Start a new thread and I will pop right over.

You should not posit ayat you cannot defend, brother.

Next time, think twice.

The main question has been answered with a resounding YES..!!! Christians and Muslims DO worship the same god.

Nope.

This is self evident by the very translation of your bible into Arabic. Instead of Arabic speaking Christians giving a different name (title) to "God"...it is rendered as (Allah). Now that we got this matter out of the way...let me know when you start that thread on Yeshua (Isa) being the son of "Allah"...or "Allah" in the flesh..

Arabic Christians state that Allah has an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ.

How many Muslims maintain this?

Zero.

Try again...

 

[kai]

It must be the same god because Arabic speaking Christians call upon the title (Allah) in their Arabic bibles as well as in their prayers. We find this to be true with both the OT and NT.

ﺗﻜﻮﻳﻦ 1 - Passage*Lookup - Arabic Life Application Bible - BibleGateway.com

In Genesis alone, from verses 1-31 the title (Allah) appears 29 times. So we must conclude that in essence Christians and Muslims call upon the same god. You both may be correct that it is most likely the perception of "God" that sets them apart as well as other factors (i.e. trinity and divinity of Yeshua) to name a few.

you cant say its the same God because they call it "God" That doesnt work for me.

You could say it doesn't matter because there is only one God anyway and its a misidentification but then you would have to ignore or even deny revelation or at least someones revelation because the photo fit just doesn't match.



you see revelation defines your God doesnt it? i repeat that to say yes "Allah is my God but Mohamed is not his prophet" has serious ramifications .That is one heck of a statement.almost an anti shahadah.Faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad is one of the pillars of Islam.You see Mohammed brought the Quran and without hadith,sunnah and Quran there is no Muslim.

 

[Quagmire]

Why not comment right now?

The answer is obvious...

Because he's a grown up and understands that derailing someone's thread is bad manners.

 

[Renji]

You do realize that every major branch of the Christian Church in existence today can trace its root back to Catholicism, right?

Oh, I'm sure that is what they tell you . . .
Catholicism was born when Constantine tried to make Christianity a state religion ..
but regardless of what the Catholic church teaches .. Christian doctrine is derived from the letters of the Apostles ..
no further .. sorry catholics .. you do not hold the keys to salvation .. quite the opposite

Know the history of the RC church first before making such a prejudice comment.. And yeah, for your info, if the Catholic church didn't successfully compile those letters, you won't be reading anything like that on the present time. You're making a premature comment without checking the credibility of the church.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

you cant say its the same God because they call it "God" That doesnt work for me.

Understandable if that's the way you see it.

You could say it doesn't matter because there is only one God anyway and its a misidentification but then you would have to ignore or even deny revelation or at least someones revelation because the photo fit just doesn't match.

That's why I said I think you were on to something in how "God" is (perceived) by Muslims and Christians. There are plenty of Christians that agree that the god in the bible and the god in the Quran are the same god while there are Christians who ascribe to the concept of trinity who say it isn't and using trinity Muslims will agree they are different as well.

you see revelation defines your God doesnt it?

Possibly but I was watching a youtube member today breaking down the etymology of the word (Eloh and Allah). I believe he was Jewish and had no problem saying they worship the same god. Their revelations are different but their understanding that they pray to the same god was no problem for him. I'm sure other Jews would disagree. I guess that is the nature of such debates.

i repeat that to say yes "Allah is my God but Mohamed is not his prophet" has serious ramifications .

Possibly but in this discussion we're not concerned whether one (accepts) the Quran, it's message or it's prohet rather...is the god in the Quran the same god as in the bible. As you say...."Yes"...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

You should not posit ayat you cannot defend, brother.

Next time, think twice.

So basically you didn't even listen to what I said....

Start a thread on the subject and I'm there.

Arabic Christians state that Allah has an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ.

How many Muslims maintain this?

Zero.

Try again...

........... The point was that even in the Arabic bible "God" is rendered as Allah.

 

[kai]

Understandable if that's the way you see it.



That's why I said I think you were on to something in how "God" is (perceived) by Muslims and Christians. There are plenty of Christians that agree that the god in the bible and the god in the Quran are the same god while there are Christians who ascribe to the concept of trinity who say it isn't and using trinity Muslims will agree they are different as well.
For Christuians to agree that the God in the Quran is the same God they must recognise the Quran and as the Quran was revealed to Mohammed they must recognise Mohammed as a prophet or would they just cherry pick it and ignore what it says about Jesus?



Possibly but I was watching a youtube member today breaking down the etymology of the word (Eloh and Allah). I believe he was Jewish and had no problem saying they worship the same god. Their revelations are different but their understanding that they pray to the same god was no problem for him. I'm sure other Jews would disagree. I guess that is the nature of such debates.

Judaism and Islam is quite another subject and i dont have quite the same reluctance in agreeing with that one although i am no expert on Judaism.

Possibly but in this discussion we're not concerned whether one (accepts) the Quran, it's message or it's prohet rather...is the god in the Quran the same god as in the bible. As you say...."Yes"...

The God in the Quran is defined by the Quran itself you must ask where the Quran came from and the Answer is the Prophet hence the sunnah and Hadith, all three define God. you just cant ignore them and state yes its the same because they call god "God". if one doesnt accept the Quran then the question is really of little or no practical value or meaning.

Its my opinion that no Christian nor Muslim can logically endorse the other religion’s distinctive claims and practices without denying its own. But i will also agree that maybe logic doesn't come into it lol

 

[kai]

Maybe a muslim could confirm for me if only Muslims enter paradise not Jews and Christians? and why God makes that distinction?

 

[Renji]

Why do I have this feeling that this thread had become "corrupted" now?

 

[Diederick]

Many Christians don't worship the same God, with over 35.000 denominations of Christ, protestants can't seem to figure their faith out objectively. Theoretically it is the same Deity, but in practice, each denomination will ascribe Him different attributes. I suppose we could say the same about the Muslims, the same God in theory, but definitely not the same God in practice.

 

[Renji]

Many Christians don't worship the same God, with over 35.000 denominations of Christ, protestants can't seem to figure their faith out objectively. Theoretically it is the same Deity, but in practice, each denomination will ascribe Him different attributes. I suppose we could say the same about the Muslims, the same God in theory, but definitely not the same God in practice.

Well then, this could have settle the issue. Unless ofcourse some of our christian friends would react by saying "where's the scripture to support that?"