Do Christians really overly persecute homosexuals?

[Rainbow Mage]

I didn't say all fundamentalists were that way, I said I have yet to meet any who aren't.

 

[Demonic Kitten]

I haven't read all of this thread yet (only on page 16) so I can't comment on it much, but I do want to say this... I am a white bisexual female pagan and I don't try to hide any of it because I shouldn't have to. Do I get persecuted? Hell yes I do! Does it hurt my feelings? No, in fact it makes me feel sorry for those out there doing the persecution. To have to go through life that ignorant and simple minded must be hard because it is hard to watch. Any type of persecution is wrong... and it people don't "blow it out of proportion" then no one is really going to care. If you don't stand up for what you believe in then who will?

Okay...I'll go back to the shadows now and finish reading this thread now.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Viewing someone's nature as a sin, is a form of persecution...

Wow, how ill thought out. Suppose someon's nature is to abuse children or steal? Is it persecution to see that as against God's will?

 

[Misty]

Wow, how ill thought out. Suppose someon's nature is to abuse children or steal? Is it persecution to see that as against God's will?

You are happy to abuse children by threatening them with a hell that probably doesn't exist!

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I keep hearing about how horrible Christians are for persecuting homosexuals. That Christians hate homosexuals, and that Christians view homosexuals as abominations. However, is that really the case?

I believe that it is only a minority of Christians who view homosexuals as abominations. I would admit that many do believe that homosexuality is a sin, but that is far from being an abomination.

My general view on this is that it is God's view that one sin is as bad as another. Any church's view that certain sins are more heinous than others would seem wrong to me. Perhaps, the world would be better off if there were less liars and more gays.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

You are happy to abuse children by threatening them with a hell that probably doesn't exist!

Stop stalking me with what I consider to be your personal misguided and warped view of a basic Christian tenet.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I didn't say all fundamentalists were that way, I said I have yet to meet any who aren't.

You will probably never meet me but I think I am not in the mold of very many Christian fundamentalist I know.

 

[Tristesse]

Wow, how ill thought out. Suppose someon's nature is to abuse children or steal? Is it persecution to see that as against God's will?

Are you equating people who steal or abuse children with homosexuals? Should we also condemn blond haired people or kids with freckles?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Are you equating people who steal or abuse children with homosexuals? Should we also condemn blond haired people or kids with freckles?

In God's view sin is sin. In jurisprudence the vauation of crime and punishment are generally meritorious. In my view. Nice try though. I think you probably have a misguided view of what sin is and what it means in a Biblical perspective.

 

[Tristesse]

In God's view sin is sin. In jurisprudence the vauation of crime and punishment are generally meritorious. In my view. Nice try though. I think you probably have a misguided view of what sin is and what it means in a Biblical perspective.

I disregard the entire idea of "sin."

 

[Smoke]

Wow, how ill thought out. Suppose someon's nature is to abuse children or steal? Is it persecution to see that as against God's will?

Ye gods! Again with this.

Is it really necessary, when talking to Christians, to specify that one's general comments about the goodness of life and sexuality don't mean that one thinks it's okay to rape, murder or steal? Is that really something we have to explain to you guys in every single discussion?

 

[sojourner]

Wow, how ill thought out. Suppose someon's nature is to abuse children or steal? Is it persecution to see that as against God's will?

Non sequitur...

 

[sojourner]

I disregard the entire idea of "sin."

I disregard the entire idea of homosexuality as "sin." One's God-created nature cannot, by definiton be sin, since sin represents a departure from God's intent. Molestation and stealing represent a departure from God's intention for us to live in harmonious community and are, therefore, sins. Since homosexuality is part of one's "makeup," I'd say it would be impossible to define as "sin."

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I disregard the entire idea of "sin."

You also seem to disregard it's Biblical meaning when trying to discuss it as well.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I disregard the entire idea of homosexuality as "sin." One's God-created nature cannot, by definiton be sin, since sin represents a departure from God's intent.

God Created Adam and Eve with the ability to make the wrong choice as is evident in the Genesis account of the fall of man. You obviously do not care for a correct Biblical view.

 

[Tristesse]

You also seem to disregard it's Biblical meaning when trying to discuss it as well.

I do? How so? I may not candy cote it, like you do.

 

[Tristesse]

God Created Adam and Eve with the ability to make the wrong choice as is evident in the Genesis account of the fall of man. You obviously do not care for a correct Biblical view.

God also created this concept of "sin." And if you believe in the biblical god, he also knew that his creations would not live up to his expectations, but still created them in the first place. And to make a loophole in the whole "sin" concept, he sacrificed himself to himself to make up for a rule that he created. If this isn't insane I don't know what is.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I do? How so? I may not candy cote it, like you do.

You stated:

Are you equating people who steal or abuse children with homosexuals? Should we also condemn blond haired people or kids with freckles?

Sin is all the same to God when He looks at it in the light of it being against His will. Thinking about killing someone is as bad as doing it. It is also the same in His desire to forgive sin. This is the nature of sin.

When it comes to the practical application of how to deal with sin and it's consequences then the Levitical laws suggest how to deal with it in various manners according to how God see's it's severity. This falls under jurisprudence.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

God also created this concept of "sin." And if you believe in the biblical god, he also knew that his creations would not live up to his expectations, but still created them in the first place. And to make a loophole in the whole "sin" concept, he sacrificed himself to himself to make up for a rule that he created. If this isn't insane I don't know what is.

Insanity is a state of mind. Enjoy.

If you wish to discuss the merits of man's free or limited free will in relation to God then perhaps read and join in in a related thread.

 

[Smoke]

You obviously do not care for a correct Biblical view.

I noticed several years ago that Sojourner doesn't take the kind of intellectually impoverished view of the Bible that is regarded as "correct" by the superstitious and simpleminded.