Do Jews say grace?

[Kemosloby]

What the hell does this have to do with Jews?

I never said this was all about Jews. We Christians stole the Jewish scriptures for our own purposes, so who better to ask about Jewish scripture than Jews. Even though they seem to have it all wrong, maybe there are more than one way of looking at it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Even though they seem to have it all wrong, maybe there are more than one way of looking at it.

Try not to choke on all that inarticulate hubris.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I never said this was all about Jews. We Christians stole the Jewish scriptures for our own purposes, so who better to ask about Jewish scripture than Jews. Even though they seem to have it all wrong, maybe there are more than one way of looking at it.

Perhaps you could clarify: did you just suggest Jews don't understand their own scriptures? Or perhaps that Jews understand their own scriptures less than Christians?

 

[Tumah]

Either that...or more likely youd did not like or understand the implications of my answer.

No, I'm pretty sure it was you, since my question was rhetorically meant to demonstrate that the requirement for the specific phraseology we are required to use is validated by the fact that the requirement to make a blessing is not made explicit in the verse and is deducted by the same Rabbis who determined the phraseology. They decided that we're required to make the blessing and they decided what the blessing should be.

 

[Kemosloby]

Perhaps you could clarify: did you just suggest Jews don't understand their own scriptures? Or perhaps that Jews understand their own scriptures less than Christians?

There's two ways of looking at it. Bread is good and something worth giving thanks for, but Jesus is good also and worth giving thanks for. As bread is part of his symbolism giving thanks for bread could mean giving thanks for Jesus. Also another way to look at it is spiritually. Lets say you just give thanks, inwardly (spiritually) you could be giving thanks for everything under the sun and also Jesus without actually saying all those things.

 

[Akivah]

There's two ways of looking at it. Bread is good and something worth giving thanks for, but Jesus is good also and worth giving thanks for.

There is another way of looking at it. Bread is good and we give thanks to G-d for it. Jesus is a fictional storybook character with no real existence and the stories about him in the Christian bible depict him as a criminal.

 

[Kemosloby]

There is another way of looking at it. Bread is good and we give thanks to G-d for it. Jesus is a fictional storybook character with no real existence and the stories about him in the Christian bible depict him as a criminal.

Jesus already said you would say that.

 

[Flankerl]

Takes a lot to ask a specific group a question only to insult this group.

Though perhaps we are at fault for being so naive.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So basically this thread was designed as an opportunity to talk at Jews about Jesus. Again.

 

[rosends]

The problem with choosing to talk to Jews about Jesus is that, not only do Jews, a priori, generally not care about Jesus, the discussion of Jesus as being at all significant in theological explication presumes a belief that Jews don't have.

Saying that any "grace" is tied to Jesus requires believing that Jesus is an object worthy of being tied to. Anyone who denies that supposition won't see any value to conclusions based on it.

 

[Akivah]

So basically this thread was designed as an opportunity to talk at Jews about Jesus. Again.

In my experience, Christians rarely have an honest question about Judaism. About 90% of the time, their 'question' morphs into preaching to us Jews, about their idol.

 

[Kemosloby]

In my experience, Christians rarely have an honest question about Judaism. About 90% of the time, their 'question' morphs into preaching to us Jews, about their idol.

Jesus was a Jew.

 

[Tarheeler]

Jesus was a Jew.

So is my butcher. What's your point?

 

[Akivah]

Jesus was a Jew.

So?

 

[Kemosloby]

So is my butcher. What's your point?

He was a jew who is on record as saying grace, so fits into the discussion.

 

[Tarheeler]

He was a jew who is on record as saying grace, so fits into the discussion.

Hey, my butcher does that too! Does every Jew who has ever said grace fit into the discussion?

 

[Kemosloby]

Hey, my butcher does that too! Does every Jew who has ever said grace fit into the discussion?

Yes. How does your butcher say grace. What does it mean to him. Does he believe it is a scriptural command. Does he do it because the Rabbis say to do it?

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Tradition !

 

[Tarheeler]

Yes. How does your butcher say grace. What does it mean to him. Does he believe it is a scriptural command. Does he do it because the Rabbis say to do it?

How and why Jews say grace has already been explained to you.

 

[Flankerl]

Tradition !

It was only 6 years old!