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I agree that love involves sacrifice, but only appropriate healthy forms of sacrifice.
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Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?
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I agree that love involves sacrifice, but only appropriate healthy forms of sacrifice.
Subduction Zone
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If you want to claim that Jesus was God then he did not die. You are being inconsistent in your beliefs. And you did not touch on how crazy the idea of someone having to die for everyone else is.
Subduction Zone
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How is rational thought based on faith? Don't just make claims. Try to support your beliefs.
And no, it takes no faith at all to accept that fact that we are evolved beings. All that is required is knowledge. Knowledge trumps faith.
When people commit crimes they go to jail. Lawyers don't offer to take their place because people can't love like God loves. Dying on the cross was the greatest expression of love that God has for his creation. Osiris didn't have that love for his creation.
Subduction Zone
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Yes, when people commit crimes they go to jail. The punishment is always commensurate with the crime. That is not what we see in he Bible. The God of the Bible is immoral.
And guess what? When people commit a crime they cannot have someone else serve their sentence for them. It appears that there was no "crime" and there should be no punishment. This is not looking good for your beliefs.
Since nobody knows everything, everything takes faith. How does knowledge trump faith if its questionable that we had ancestors with intermediate organs? There are a few fossils that could look intermediate, but the overall fossil evidence is vague and nebulous at best, like with Lucy and Piltdown Man. It takes more faith to believe that everything evolved while at the same time there are no changes of kinds in evolution, than to believe God created everything.
The God of the Bible matches how the law works. The amount of time the crime takes doesn't determine the punishment.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, that is a non sequitur.
And why do you keep saying that there are very few intermediate fossils? Only lying sources make that claim. You really should try to educate yourself. In Florida alone in only the last 35 million years over 1,000 different vertebrate fossil species have been found.
Florida Vertebrate Fossils
That is just in Florida, one small corner of the world, over a rather short Geological time span. Over the Earth's 4.5 billion history there are hundreds of thousands of discovered fossils. We are not lacking for transitional species.
Fossils are not the strongest evidence for evolution. It is only the most obvious to amateurs. The DNA evidence alone is a slam dunk for evolution.
Lastly you are guilty of spreading lies, and since you have been corrected more than once it looks as if you are lying on purpose. One more time, Lucy was never refuted. If your grandmas coffin was opened up and her bones that matched her medical records were found along with a squirrel bone would you then conclude that was not your grandma? Seriously you have to quit using such poor arguments. You only make yourself look foolish. Yes, the Piltdown man was a hoax. So what? I guess since the Shroud of Turin was a hoax that means according you your standard of reasoning that Christianity is false.
Subduction Zone
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So now you are back to claiming that God is evil. Why should anyone worship your version of God?
God is not evil. God is just. Is a judge evil for punishing people who don't follow the laws?
Subduction Zone
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Then why do you portray God as being evil?
God is not evil. God is a just judge. Even the most fair judge has to punish people who don't follow the laws.
Jesus dying for our sins would be like a lawyer agreeing to take the punishment for the crime that the person they are defending committing. We can't understand God because God's ways are not our ways. We would never agree to accept the punishment of the crime that another person committed, but God is different.
Subduction Zone
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Then why do you keep saying that God does evil acts? You are contradicting yourself.
What comment did I say that God does evil acts?
Subduction Zone
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And that is both immoral and not allowed. It does no good for a lawyer to take on a punishment. Again, you claim that God is immoral, but only when he punishes himself. Of course Jesus is not God. So at least he is not punishing himself as you claim.
Subduction Zone
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When you described what God punishes people for and how severe the punishment is.
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I've built a robot. When it comes to electricity I have no faith or beliefs but rather hard, concrete knowledge of what will happen with an electrical circuit.
And Piltdown Man? Ever since that hoax debuted it was widely regarded as a fraud.
He may have died for your sins.
I don't sin, I didnt ask him to die, so it sucks to be him.
God's ways are not our ways. A lawyer would never take on a punishment, because a lawyer is a human being. Why do you think Jesus is not God? Mithras was not born of a virgin. He was born out of a rock. The rock birth is commonly depicted in Mithraic reliefs. Mithras emerges fully grown and naked except for a Phrygian cap, and he's holding a dagger and torch. In some variations, flames shoot out from the rock, or he's holding a globe in his hand." It is true that Mithraic sanctuaries were designed to look like caves, but nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described as having been born in a cave. The idea is first mentioned in the letter of Barnabas at the beginning of the second century.
Since nobody has all the answers and some things have no answer, isn't that a form of faith?