Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?

[blü 2]

Simple logic. Adam and Eve were created perfect. When they sinned

Where does Genesis say they sinned?

they were still much closer to the perfection they were created with than their future offspring.

Aren't you implicitly saying 'perfection' means 'absence of sexuality'?

In that case, why have two sexes at all? Why not have mammals reproducing by fission? That way they could stay perfect.

 

[ChristineM]

I find this hard to accept

Thats up to you, DNA does not lie

With that said even before modern humans there were groups evolving and breeding

It is my belief that humans, in fact, the majority of hominids have always been social animals.

Unless there was a time, when only one female was/is to produce offspring like say wolves and parrie dogs do

I made it clear later that there may have been other lines but they have all died out. Mitochondrial eve is the most recent female common ancestor to the human race

 

[ChristineM]

Not necessarily.....

Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time

The point being they lived apart in time, not together. There are estimates ranging from a few thousand years to over a hundred thousand.

And i notice the catchy title and actual text of the article vary, ine says "did not" the other says "may"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Some time ago, a theory was floating around that everyone now living are descendants of one female from Africa. I don't know that they are still making that claim, however,

It's called Mitochondrial Eve. And Mitochondrial Eve also had lots of peers. It's not like she was the only woman at the time, nore was she the only woman that produced off spring. What was discovered through the study of mitochondrial DNA, is that all those other lineages died out over time.

At no point was human population ever below several thousand individuals. And that was a genetic bottleneck that seems to coincide with an eruption of the toba volcano some 70.000 years ago (aka The Toba Catastrophe Theory). Humans were nearly whiped out when the number of breeding pairs dropped to a mere couple thousand.

A single couple? That's absurdly ridiculous.

 

[Salty Booger]

A single couple? That's absurdly ridiculous.

I am not arguing the theory. It was an article I had read.

 

[Jainarayan]

But it’s from the highly-respected “Nature”, and provides references.

Right!? That is weird. Maybe poor proofreading or editing.

 

[nPeace]

Why the change? Any justification or just Lord's whim?

Why the change? Any justification or just Lord's whim?

What do you mean? Change from what?

Interbreeding with kin?
Genetics was not to be a problem when God started the human family. It would only become a problem with man's deviation from God.

Monogamy?
That never changed. Man's deviation from God led to polygamy. God did not change his view, but tolerated it until the Christ should arrive, and establish the truth.

 

[metis]

Polygamy existed long before the Bible was put to writing.

 

[Muffled]

I believe the evidence is lacking for Adam and Eve to be the original earthly creation but all of the reputed aliens are also God's creation.

 

[Muffled]

Simple logic. Adam and Eve were created perfect. When they sinned they were still much closer to the perfection they were created with than their future offspring. There was no problem for their children to marry and have children. That is the only way humankind produced at that time.

By the time Moses lived genetic defects were already far worse along and it was wrong for relatives to intermarry and procreate with each other that is why God gave that mandate to the nation of Israel. And why it is stupid and wrong up to this day.

I believe it is even worse because Eve was a clone of Adam.

 

[Muffled]

Some time ago, a theory was floating around that everyone now living are descendants of one female from Africa. I don't know that they are still making that claim, however,

I believe like evolution it lacks proof.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Genetic eve was not the first human woman, just the first woman we are all related to.

Actually the first female in the matrilineal line. There could be an even more recent one in a mixed line of male and female ancestors. In fact it is almost a dead certainty that there was a female ancestor that we are all related to much more recent than Mitochondrial Eve. But I do not think that there is a way to prove it.

 

[Eyes to See]

Where does Genesis say they sinned?
Aren't you implicitly saying 'perfection' means 'absence of sexuality'?

In that case, why have two sexes at all? Why not have mammals reproducing by fission? That way they could stay perfect.

To the first question Genesis 3. To the second question, no. Now please share where you even got the notion to ask a question like that, am most curious.

 

[Eyes to See]

I believe it is even worse because Eve was a clone of Adam.

I guess you will find me most disapproving then. I have a twin. We're clones of each other.

 

[gnostic]

I guess you will find me most disapproving then. I have a twin. We're clones of each other.

Sorry, but twins are not clones.

You don’t understand what cloning mean.

Clones are copies.

So if god had cloned Adam, then Eve would would really be another man - hence another Adam. A clone would have the same sex as the original person.

So this Genesis 2 is definitely not involved cloning.

 

[gnostic]

Also, we know that Neanderthals had mated with humans, and up to about 6% of some human's DNA is Neanderthal. The Neanderthal male line no longer exists. The Neanderthal female line no longer exists, either. Could the Neanerthal be the giants mentioned in the bible? Seraphim?

Seriously, “giants”?!

Good grief...

Have you bother to look at remains that of the Neanderthals and that of early Homo sapiens?

The skulls are only slightly different in size, and there are not much differences between femurs of the two different species, which would suggest that the Neanderthals are no more taller than their contemporary Homo sapiens.

If anything Neanderthals tends to be on average just slightly shorter, but they were more stockier in built.

As to comparing Neanderthals to the seraphim, that’s even more ridiculous considering that there are no evidence to show that Neanderthals possessed 6 wings in their anatomy.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The point being they lived apart in time, not together. There are estimates ranging from a few thousand years to over a hundred thousand.

And i notice the catchy title and actual text of the article vary, ine says "did not" the other says "may"

Appreciate your reply.

TBH, I didn’t notice the difference you highlighted....

And i notice the catchy title and actual text of the article vary, ine says "did not" the other says "may"

But it’s wise to always take note of those differences....

I guess you know the position I take, that you & I are on ‘different ends of the spectrum,’ so to speak.

But I usually notice that many times what is written in articles as “it may have” or “it could have”, gets turned into ‘it did.’

That’s wrong. I’m glad you think so.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The Human Family Tree: 10 Adams and 18 Eves (Published 2000)

According to this website, there were 10 Adams and 18 Eves (apparently the Adams had more fun).

Adam and Eve had three sons and no daughters. To have kids, Eve would have had to have been the mother.

However, some think that there were other people who were not in the Garden of Eden, who might have had kids.

Also, we know that Neanderthals had mated with humans, and up to about 6% of some human's DNA is Neanderthal. The Neanderthal male line no longer exists. The Neanderthal female line no longer exists, either. Could the Neanerthal be the giants mentioned in the bible? Seraphim?

Don’t you mean “nephilim”?

 

[ChristineM]

I guess you know the position I take, that you & I are on ‘different ends of the spectrum,’ so to speak.

Not too far apart, at least we can chat civilly.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Simple logic. Adam and Eve were created perfect. When they sinned they were still much closer to the perfection they were created with than their future offspring. There was no problem for their children to marry and have children. That is the only way humankind produced at that time.

By the time Moses lived genetic defects were already far worse along and it was wrong for relatives to intermarry and procreate with each other that is why God gave that mandate to the nation of Israel. And why it is stupid and wrong up to this day.

This is the sort of logic that spurned on Christian eugenicists. The idea that 'sin' in some way effects genetics, therefore those who sin less corrupt their genetics less, therefore 'true Christians' are genetically superior. This is an extremely ignorant and prejudicial line of thinking. And, of course, there's no evidence that congenital defects happened slower in early hominids than in modern humans.