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Do people still believe everyone decended from Adam and Eve?

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
to have more children,,,
-the dad/mom had to sleep with their son/daughter,,,
No way!

brother/sisters slept together,,,
Get married... yes.

aunts/uncles slept with nephews/nieces

Yes...again, in marriage.

Please read @Eyes to See ‘s reply to your post.. this explanation re: DNA, that it had properties that helped it perform in ways different than today, is revealed in Scripture when we read of A&E’s offsprings’ long life spans...living for centuries...gradually diminishing w/ each successive generation after the Flood.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Are there still people in the 21st century that believe all humans are descendents from Adam and Eve, only two people?

Wouldn't that mean that when they had children, to have more children,,,
-the dad/mom had to sleep with their son/daughter,,,
-brother/sisters slept together,,,
-aunts/uncles slept with nephews/nieces
-etc.

If not can some logically explain how they populated the earth without doing any of that?
By the way, all of that is forbidden in the bible

Leviticus 18:8-18
8 “Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father.

9 “Do not have sexual relations with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born into your household or someone else’s.

10 “Do not have sexual relations with your granddaughter, whether she is your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this would violate yourself.

11 “Do not have sexual relations with your stepsister, the daughter of any of your father’s wives, for she is your sister.

12 “Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s close relative.

13 “Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “Do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual relations with his wife, for she is your aunt.

15 “Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, so you must not have sexual relations with her.

16 “Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife, for this would violate your brother.

17 “Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. And do not take her granddaughter, whether her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act.

18 “While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her, for they would be rivals.

The Bible is a spiritual book with mysteries and symbolical meanings and not to be taken literally. This is one of those passages which requires some reflection to understand what it is trying to convey to us.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Not quite how it works. There wasn’t just one that we are all related to or descended from. Each one of us has a “mitochondrial Eve” and “Y-chromosome Adam”. They could have lived 10s of thousands of years apart.

These slides can explain better than I can. This is my genetic lineage. My Eve lived about 25,000-30,000 years ago somewhere in the Middle/Near East. Her descendants migrated ultimately to the south of Italy. My Adam lived about 30,000 years ago somewhere around the Red Sea. His descendants also migrated west to the Mediterranean basin. I’m largely Sicilian (~90%), which is made up of that Middle/Near Eastern, Western Asian substrate, with some Northern European. Northwest Sicily, my ancestral origin, was heavily influenced by the Normans.

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Btw, the oft-cited claim of “everyone” being descended from Chinggis Khan is not entirely true (or entirely false). Those males who carry the same Y chromosome as the Great Khagan could be descended from a brother, cousin, uncle, who all descended from a common male ancestor. It would appear they are direct descendants of him, but they could only be male relatives.


Mitochondrial Eve dna is dna from mitochondrial Eve, it may have come from her offspring but ultimately from her, same goes for Y chromosome adam. And as i said, they lived thousands of years apart.

One may be related to differnt sons or daughters of genetic adam and eve but ultimately we are all related to x eve and y adam. As i understand it x eve had 7 daughters with differnt fathers, this is also shown in dna.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Are there still people in the 21st century that believe all humans are descendents from Adam and Eve, only two people?
I believe that the Divine is both male and female
I believe that all humans are embodiments of the Divine

Hence I believe that Adam and Eve stands for the Divine
Hence I believe that all come from Adam and Eve

Not as descendants of the Divine
But as embodiments of the Divine
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Are there still people in the 21st century that believe all humans are descendents from Adam and Eve, only two people?

Wouldn't that mean that when they had children, to have more children,,,
-the dad/mom had to sleep with their son/daughter,,,
-brother/sisters slept together,,,
-aunts/uncles slept with nephews/nieces
-etc.

If not can some logically explain how they populated the earth without doing any of that?
By the way, all of that is forbidden in the bible

I believe that the psyche of modern humans descended from Adam and Eve. The change was not about biological reproduction. It was a psychological change, similar to saying all Christians descended from Jesus Christ. This spreading of the word was not based on biological reproduction, but a psychological type transfer of information and feelings. Priests and nuns do not reproduce biologically but do reproduce the word through actions and teaching.

If you consider the formation of civilization, the original natural human of that time; psychological pre-humans, had to overcome eons of instinct and conditioning from being migratory herders and gatherers. They had to learn to become squatters, which required repression of the old natural ways. Civilization, in turned, then changed the physical environment into something that was far less natural. There was a psychological realignment that formed a new type of human.

Adam and Eve, originally had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain was the tiller of the soil and Abel was a herder of animals, When Cain kills Abel, farming symbolically superseded migratory herding, allowing civilization to become fixed. This change had a psychological impact leading to the first modern humans. The pre-humans were made obsolete and/or conquered as civilization and the new humans expanded, reproduced and taught the new ways.

Science has demonstrated that the invention of writing occurred about 6000 years old. This coincides with the biblical account of the universe being 6000 years old. In the beginning was the word and the word was God. Writing crested a new awakening in the mind. Writing changed the way the human mind worked, since it made it difficult to forget and flow with instinct. This was not natural and caused repression. Written law of good and evil; tree of knowledge of good and evil, altered the psyche in a powerful way. Loss of paradise was symbolic of loss of instinct.

Scientific evidence shows that some earlier civilizations formed over 10,000 years ago, but these would all abort. The first stable civilization was around 6000 years ago, with the invention of writing. Without writing the memory would forget and the tricks of the forefathers would be lost. This caused the earliest attempts at civilization to abort. Writing changed this, by offering a type of unnatural capacitance for external information storage. The result was a new type of human would appear.

Picture going to school where there is no writing. The teacher teaches and you need to listen and remember. There are no books to read or notes to review. At the same time, your class mates each remember differently, so everyone cannot agree on what was said. This type of confused information is soon forgotten.

Writing changed the dynamics of learning by offering a tangible way to agree and review, so all were on the same page. Adam may have invented writing and Eve may have been his first student. They taught others, who then had selective advantage in any environment. Legion has it, Adam was good and science and math which were needed for civilization.

The worse pitfall was using writing to define law of good and evil. Law can be subjective and is often temporal. The prolonging of obsolete law, due to writing, led to loss of instinct; tree of life is removed. The bible goes on to show the psychological damage that would occur, as the humans become unnatural, up through the age of Noah. The great flood is symbolic of a unconscious readjustment of the human psyche since the operating system of the human brain is based on DNA and a major update was needed to accommodate the new ego. Most did not make it to the other side of the update; corrupt files. They were overwhelmed by the unconscious; drowning in confusion. The clear headed would have selective advantages; Noah and family. The two of each animal symbolized saving male and female instincts; part of the needed update.
 
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Mitochondrial Eve dna is dna from mitochondrial Eve, it may have come from her offspring but ultimately from her, same goes for Y chromosome adam. And as i said, they lived thousands of years apart.

One may be related to differnt sons or daughters of genetic adam and eve but ultimately we are all related to x eve and y adam. As i understand it x eve had 7 daughters with differnt fathers, this is also shown in dna.

In a way you are correct. However, keep in mind there were many Adams and Eves... thousands living at the same time. Not all of them survived to pass on their X or Y chromosome, however.

That’s where the misunderstanding of Adam and Eve arises... people tend to think of the biblical Adam and Eve. Which actually in light of genetics is not entirely wrong, except that they probably didn’t live at the same time and mate. There were other humans whose lines simply died out. The biblical Adam and Eve is a simplistic explanation of human lines of descent.

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
In a way you are correct. However, keep in mind there were many Adams and Eves... thousands living at the same time. Not all of them survived to pass on their X or Y chromosome, however.

That’s where the misunderstanding of Adam and Eve arises... people tend to think of the biblical Adam and Eve. Which actually in light of genetics is not entirely wrong, except that they probably didn’t live at the same time and mate. There were other humans whose lines simply died out. The biblical Adam and Eve is a simplistic explanation of human lines of descent.

Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia

Yes, there were many, their lines have died out for whatever reason.
Only the genes of mitochondrial eve were passed on to all humans indicating that all humans alive today are descended from that one woman.

I am not including the biblical Adam and Eve, the whole story just does not make sense to me in the light of genetics
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Are there still people in the 21st century that believe all humans are descendents from Adam and Eve, only two people?

Wouldn't that mean that when they had children, to have more children,,,
-the dad/mom had to sleep with their son/daughter,,,
-brother/sisters slept together,,,
-aunts/uncles slept with nephews/nieces
-etc.

If not can some logically explain how they populated the earth without doing any of that?
By the way, all of that is forbidden in the bible

Leviticus 18:8-18
8 “Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father.

9 “Do not have sexual relations with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born into your household or someone else’s.

10 “Do not have sexual relations with your granddaughter, whether she is your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this would violate yourself.

11 “Do not have sexual relations with your stepsister, the daughter of any of your father’s wives, for she is your sister.

12 “Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s close relative.

13 “Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “Do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual relations with his wife, for she is your aunt.

15 “Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, so you must not have sexual relations with her.

16 “Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife, for this would violate your brother.

17 “Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. And do not take her granddaughter, whether her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act.

18 “While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her, for they would be rivals.
I believe that at some point, monkeys became human and they were Adam and Eve.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I am not including the biblical Adam and Eve, the whole story just does not make sense to me in the light of genetics

For sure, that’s why I think it’s a simplistic way of describing human descent. Ancient humans were not as stupid as many people think. All mythologies have some basis in fact. It’s just the way people could relay it.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Are there still people in the 21st century that believe all humans are descendents from Adam and Eve, only two people?

Wouldn't that mean that when they had children, to have more children,,,
-the dad/mom had to sleep with their son/daughter,,,
-brother/sisters slept together,,,
-aunts/uncles slept with nephews/nieces
-etc.

If not can some logically explain how they populated the earth without doing any of that?
By the way, all of that is forbidden in the bible

Leviticus 18:8-18
8 “Do not have sexual relations with any of your father’s wives, for this would violate your father.

9 “Do not have sexual relations with your sister or half sister, whether she is your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born into your household or someone else’s.

10 “Do not have sexual relations with your granddaughter, whether she is your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter, for this would violate yourself.

11 “Do not have sexual relations with your stepsister, the daughter of any of your father’s wives, for she is your sister.

12 “Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister, for she is your father’s close relative.

13 “Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “Do not violate your uncle, your father’s brother, by having sexual relations with his wife, for she is your aunt.

15 “Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, so you must not have sexual relations with her.

16 “Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife, for this would violate your brother.

17 “Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. And do not take her granddaughter, whether her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter, and have sexual relations with her. They are close relatives, and this would be a wicked act.

18 “While your wife is living, do not marry her sister and have sexual relations with her, for they would be rivals.

The bible does not actually say there were no humanoids before Adam. In fact, it indicates there were other people outside of Eden. Cain found a wife in Nod and was concerned he would be killed by those outside Eden, for example. It was simply assumed as there was once no evidence available to the contrary.

Even so, the close breeding issue was still a factor -but apparently -from what little I have heard-one which increases over generations -and would not be as urgent early on. They also did not have the same scriptures to reference early on.

It is also recorded that they did mix with others over time.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Many jews, christians and muslims believe that in an symbolic sense. That the texts about Adam and Eve should be interpreted symbolicaly.
That is where the problems will come up. What is literally true and what is symbolically true. Then, sort of, the issue blows up.
The relationship would be, of course, somewhat remote. I'm not quite sure what it means to be an 87th cousin, 43 times removed.
Have you got your DNA analyzed? Then you would know.
no, since it has been traced even further back in time and location to Australia.. and then later to Africa...but yes, we all came out of Africa as far as it would matter to anyone today.
There are other theories as well. But yes, not as strong as 'out of Africa' story.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Genetic eve was not the first human woman, just the first woman we are all related to.
Maybe we are looking in the wrong place for that since Cladistics was established with much more detail to go by. It would narrow down the search I would think.
 
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