Do some people really find the Bhagavad Gita evil?

[kalyan]

Hasn't the Baghwad Gita preached a caste system in which Krishna labels certain forms of humans above others?

no

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

no

So, what is this?

Thefour-fold order was created by Me according to the divisions of quality and work. Though I am its creator, know Me to be incapable of action or change.

Cāturvarṇyaṃ: the four-fold order. Thefourvarnasarenamed - Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. They constitute the four-fold order. The three gunas - sattva, rajas and tamas - and the law of karma - these four elements were divided by Me to create the four varnas.

Sattva guna predominates in Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Rajas guna predominates in Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Rajas guna also predominates in Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Tamas guna predominates in Vaishyas - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.

 

[kalyan]

So, what is this?

Thefour-fold order was created by Me according to the divisions of quality and work. Though I am its creator, know Me to be incapable of action or change.

Cāturvarṇyaṃ: the four-fold order. Thefourvarnasarenamed - Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. They constitute the four-fold order. The three gunas - sattva, rajas and tamas - and the law of karma - these four elements were divided by Me to create the four varnas.

Sattva guna predominates in Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Rajas guna predominates in Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Rajas guna also predominates in Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Tamas guna predominates in Vaishyas - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.

you are wrong....chaturvarnayam does NOT refer to Brahmin, Kshatriya...etc...It refers to
1. Deva
2. Manushya
3.Tiryak
4.Sthavara

I cannot explain it to you what these terms are..look it up if you are interested

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

you are wrong....chaturvarnayam does NOT refer to Brahmin, Kshatriya...etc...It refers to
1. Deva
2. Manushya
3.Tiryak
4.Sthavara

I cannot explain it to you what these terms are..look it up if you are interested

But I just directly quoted from the Gita, you are telling me you're right and the Gita is wrong or have I misunderstood?

 

[Jainarayan]

Hasn't the Baghwad Gita preached a caste system in which Krishna labels certain forms of humans above others?

No. He speaks of those who make the same mistakes life after life, and never advance. Chaturvarnya refers to types of work. https://www.quora.com/Is-caste-system-mentioned-in-Hindu-sastras-and-Bhagwad-Gita

 

[Jainarayan]

But I just directly quoted from the Gita, you are telling me you're right and the Gita is wrong or have I misunderstood?

You misunderstood. You have to read the commentaries. http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-04-13.html

 

[atanu]

Hasn't the Baghwad Gita preached a caste system in which Krishna labels certain forms of humans above others?

No.

However, that kind of interpretation comes from and in human minds easily. A chair and a table are both wood but have different functions. One is not higher than the other. But one may be more suitable than the other at times.

Shri Krishna teaches that the enlightened sees no difference in a brahmana (a person of priestly class) or a dog, or a cow, or a so-called low class dog eater.

Gita 5.18 The sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].
...

 

[atanu]

So, what is this?

The four-fold order was created by Me according to the divisions of quality and work. Though I am its creator, know Me to be Non doer and immutable..

Kindly note that I corrected your translation, marked with red font above.

If God himself is creator of four categories based on temperament, capability and actual work and if He resides as innermost Self in all, then which true God lover will discriminate among people of different classes?

In fact Gita 5.18 reflects this understanding.

The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].

 

[Subhankar Zac]

OP is a Converted christian by his own admission in another post...No need to feed the troll...Maybe he gets money too ..who knows..we have so many missionaries in India already

The only troll here is you.
No one asked for vilification of Christians. Also your posts have been reported for hate speech.
Shameful that such people like yourselves can even go near the Gita

 

[Subhankar Zac]

India should start first destroying the churches as christians starved over 2 million bengalis to death in bengal famine..we have got a bigger problem here....Just so as people here know, that huge funds are being poured inside India to convert people and the converted people get money annually...Huge scam

Between your face and a church, I'd go for the first one.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

So, what is this?

Thefour-fold order was created by Me according to the divisions of quality and work. Though I am its creator, know Me to be incapable of action or change.

Cāturvarṇyaṃ: the four-fold order. Thefourvarnasarenamed - Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. They constitute the four-fold order. The three gunas - sattva, rajas and tamas - and the law of karma - these four elements were divided by Me to create the four varnas.

Sattva guna predominates in Brahmins - and they are assigned the tasks (karma) of sham, dam, tapas (meditation) etc.

Rajas guna predominates in Kshatriyas - sattva guna is secondary. Their karma is to be warriors and show bravery and tejas.

Rajas guna also predominates in Vaishyas - tamas guna is secondary. Their karma is to be farmers and traders.

Tamas guna predominates in Vaishyas - rajas guna is secondary. Their karma is to serve others.

The caste system according to the gita is based on a person's guna and not his birth.
Nor does the Bhagavad gita says to treat vaishyas and Sudras unfairly.
The 4 kinds of people are created by God but their caste and duty isn't on their birth

 

[Terese]

Gaudiya Vaishnavism ain't all bad...

 

[Terese]

I also apologise for my poor behaviour /|\

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Gaudiya Vaishnavism ain't all bad...

Not all bad of course. Many Iskcon temples welcome atheists, agnostics, gay couples with open arms... But it's the Indian Iskcon members who visit Iskcon temples.
American Iskcon devotees mostly are very open minded like Buddhists

 

[Terese]

Not all bad of course. Many Iskcon temples welcome atheists, agnostics, gay couples with open arms... But it's the Indian Iskcon members who visit Iskcon temples.
American Iskcon devotees mostly are very open minded like Buddhists

Are you saying Indian ISKCON members are not as open minded? I haven't been to an ISKCON temple before, and it sounds like you find them to be 'church-like'.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Are you saying Indian ISKCON members are not as open minded? I haven't been to an ISKCON temple before, and it sounds like you find them to be 'church-like'.

Iskcon has adopted policies that are very divisive.
For examples many priests believe that the offerings given out to other deities shouldn't be eaten, food prepared by atheists shouldnt be eaten.
Plus its more ritualistic which I find unsuitable with the liberal views of the Gita.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And here I thought that Hindus on this forum were progressive. Even most Christians here don't support the Kkk or the WBC as enthusiastically as Hindus support their hate groups. But if a Muslim supports wahabi groups, he's a terrorist.

So you think there should be no support group for Hindus though Muslims, Sikhs and Christians can have their own? Then Sikhs could cleanse Punjab of 40% of the population which is Hindu as Kashmir valley did for nearly 10% of their population. No action was taken against Muslim infiltration in Bengal by Congress, Communists and now Mamta Bannerjee because they are vote banks. Very soon Muslims will ask Hindus to leave parts of West Bengal. Shubhankar, one can close eyes to the reality at one's own risk.

Surely Hinduism doesn't call for making huge temples when you have starving children (of Hindu faiths itself)

The VHP temple in USA (I do not know much about it) does not involve Indian money. Yes, such spending in India is criminal and against common sense.

 

[Desert Snake]

Iskcon has adopted policies that are very divisive.
For examples many priests believe that the offerings given out to other deities shouldn't be eaten, food prepared by atheists shouldnt be eaten.
Plus its more ritualistic which I find unsuitable with the liberal views of the Gita.

Divisive, or religiously correct?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

So you think there should be no support group for Hindus though Muslims, Sikhs and Christians can have their own? Then Sikhs could cleanse Punjab of 40% of the population which is Hindu as Kashmir valley did for nearly 10% of their population. No action was taken against Muslim infiltration in Bengal by Congress, Communists and now Mamta Bannerjee because they are vote banks. Very soon Muslims will ask Hindus to leave parts of West Bengal. Shubhankar, one can close eyes to the reality at one's own risk.

Who said that Hindus shouldn't have support groups?
Support groups can also be made of true gurus who understand the Hindu culture.
Never in the past has Hinduism condemned homosexuality and the texts that do also condone vile forms of casteism.
Hinduism never speaks of burning the children of an Australian missionaries or the houses of Christians in Orrisa, converted or not... Free will is a choice in Hinduism.
Nor should beef be banned in India. Either total vegetarianism or let people what they wish.

Many gurus in India who know what Hinduism really preaches are welcome to help other Hindus.
Feeding children than making plans for higher temples.
Giving milk to children than putting it on the linga.
Such concepts contradict the omnipresence aspect of God.

All religious groups should have support groups, but not at the expense of my life and dignity.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Divisive, or religiously correct?

Divisive... Religiously correct would be Bhakti by soul,pure devotion.
Not division between Hinduism.