Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

[Unveiled Artist]

The father is defined by the son. No other monotheistic religion says that the father can only be reached through his son. Maybe Jews and Muslims worship the same god, if one likes. Christians are an oldball out of all other monotheistic faiths.

The very fact that the father in christianity says you can't come to him without going through his son is a completely different nature and goal of Judaism and Islam who both go to the creator directly.

The Father is not the Son. They are distinct Persons, although consubstantial.

 

[Laughing Coyote]

Allah is just the Arabic term for God. It just means "the God", basically. We do worship Allah.

As for Jesus, most Jews rejected Him and Muslims accept Him as a Prophet, but don't agree that He is God.

It is a little more complicated than Jews simply rejecting him. In the early years until Paul, Christianity was basically a Jewish sect as I understand it until the Roman citizen and Jew, Saul of Tarsus, had his Epiphany and began ministering to both Jews and Romans. I have heard Rabbis say that they consider him a prophet.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

WOW, I'm not sure if everybody will understand how much you actually said in so few words.

VERY thought provoking post.

As for the God of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, I look at it in a pretty simple way - YES, we all worship the same God, Christians just add one and Jews just deny a couple of our prophets.

Before I reverted (years ago), a Christian was telling me, "Muslims do NOT worship the same God as us". So I asked him, "Really? How many Gods do you think there are? Does their God know your God? Are they friends?" My point was pretty simple - if you believe there is ONE Creator, then EVERYBODY who is worshiping the Creator is worshiping the same being REGARDLESS of how different the attributes they assign to Him are.

As for the different attributes, that goes back to the post I quoted - one's understanding of and relationship with God is so personal that it is doubtful ANY of us view Him the "Same"

The general consensus among, say, christians is if you are not worshiping the creator through the son, you have the wrong perception of god. To a lot of christians, you are not worshiping the right god or a false god that is not the actual creator. Then you have jews who completely reject the idea of how christians interpret god through the son. Also, the concept of god is shaped by differing cultures and traditions. If the Islam creator is the same as the christian creator, there should be a consensus that both of your creators dictate the same rules of his children. For example, you cannot take the Eucharist as a Muslim and many Christians will not pray five times a day and have a calling to visit Mecca. Yet, if there is one creator, then both parties should have the same instructions since traditions shape our concept of god.

Both of you can say you worship the creator, that doesn't mean either of you and any monotheistic faith are worshiping the right one that actually exist compared to a false creator that does not. In Christianity, it is said the devil poses as an angel of light. I could extend that argument that if I were Muslim, I may think that they are following the angel of light and not the creator of Islam because the creator of Islam is defined by X but christians define the creator by Y and there is one creator X or Y, and if I were muslim I wouldn't say they both exist. That would mean a Muslim can take the Eucahrist and a Catholic can be a Catholic Muslim.

It's beyond the word "we both believe in the creator" the every fact your definitions are different, yall worship different creators.

Now which one is the right creator, I have no clue. Thats another reason you worship different creators. If it were the same, you will have the same definition. You do not.

 

[Laughing Coyote]

I wanted to ask: If Muslims, Jews and Christians do worship the same God, then why do Muslims not worship Jesus as God as the Christians do and why don't Christians worship Allah as God as the Muslims do? Why don't the Jews worship Allah and Jesus as God as the Muslims and Christians do?

I'd think that Muslims, who split off from Judaism only see him as just one of the prophets, whereas Mohammad is said to be the bearer the last authentic word from god, which like previous prophets trumps the ones that come before.

Philosophy does something analogous: with the rise of new theories that are able to encompass and explain a larger range of experience, old ones are laid aside, even though they have elements in them that are legitimate for more specific generalization or which might in fact lead to different directions of inquiry.

This was brought to my attention by Alfred North Whitehead in the first chapter of his book Process and Reality:

"European thought is represented as littered with metaphysical systems, abandoned and unreconciled.... We no more retain the physics of the seventeenth century than we do the Cartesian philosophy of that century. Yet within limits, both systems express important truths.... Mankind never quite knows what it is after. When we survey the history of thought, and likewise the history of practice, we find that one idea after another is tried out, its limitations defined, and its core of truth elicited...."

Of course what he goes on to discuss makes it all the more complicated than this, indicated by his use of the his attribution "is represented."

 

[Laughing Coyote]

They are cults of Judaism not sects. Like modern science is a cult of religion not a sect!!!! Although there are a lot in that cult whom "believe" that they sprang into existence ex-nihilo with the truth!!! Not unlike islam and christianity!!! They also "believe" they have a rather supreme point of view in context from where they came from, kinda like Christianity and islam!!!! They also " belIeve they have the reasoned rational truth. Interestingly a lot like. Christianity and islam!!! Science as religion weirdly true for some. Like the battle of which comic con is superior. I am an extremely harsh evolutionist on human thinking most are not!!!

Alfred North Whitehead in "Science and Modern World," discusses in great detail something similar (though I'd describe it as something more than cult, given science's institutional development and general recognition), in the sense of Science being in the Prophetic tradition. Science has discarded metaphysics, or philosophy, but yet it retains its own unspoken premises and frames of reference as any philosophy and religion does. All of which which go uninspected because in discarding metaphysics it also threw away the very tool used to address these questions.

One premise without rational basis, for example, is separation of mind/spirit and matter. Another is that you can know something by knowing its parts, or reductionism.

The Whiteheadean theologian John Cobb sees that all prophetic religions as being involved in a secularization of the world by placing God outside of it and only having access through the mediation of a particular revelation. Science is not transcendence of this, says Cobb, but its full realization.

Cobb writes: "Modernity arose through a process of secularization. This was in part a continuation of the prophetic tradition within Christianity. In this tradition God is sharply distinguished from the world and the way things are. God's transcendence is emphasized. God judges the world. God's will calls for the transformation of the world. Thus the world as it is is not sacred. It is the creation of God but not itself divine. Human beings are free to explore it and to use it."

This secularization of nature and the series of prophets that promoted it historically probably originates with the rise of agriculture and cities, which brought with them a different relationship between humans and the planet. For pre-urban societies nature was seen as the Deity incarnate, because it fed and clothed people and sustained people without significant intervention. Early anthropologists named this relationship of humans with the world "animism" because most non-urban peoples prior to European expansion and colonization across world perceived everything animated by and taking form the Deity: the soil, trees, water, animals and plants. Agricultural societies of Middle East and Central Asia, as well as Central America, in contrast plowed up the natural ecosystems to plant their crops, and nature started to become capricious, unforgiving and even hostile. God, like the land, started appearing as something distant, capricious and hostile, and required a mediation in the same manner that growing states and empires took a mediating role between populations and the land.

Once the world is treated as a secular thing, you can exploit it, which is why there is such a close relationship between the spread of the prophetic great religions and destruction of traditional societies and nature. I'd suggest this was something that was going on among all the early urban cultures that arose with domestication of plants and animals, and the rise of the city, of which the Hebrews were but one.

 

[Laughing Coyote]

I don't think all Christians worship the same god!

It is kind of strange, isn't it? God supposedly created everything. One would think that in the variety and the complexity of the creation you would be led to think that if anything, God is infinite possibilities. Yet each of us groups of humans, all of of common descent whether you believe in evolution or Eve, each our particular religion, think that we have the one true knowledge of god. This all the more ironic by how little any of us do know even of the patch of land that we live on, in which a cubic centimeter of soil has 4 billion microorganism, all in complex interactions with the plants and animals living on it. Of plants and trees and animals living on it more than we can conceive. Science furthermore, after 400 years, despite all its great leaps in knowledge is characterized more by what it doesn't know than it knows. Such ignorance is what is getting us more and more in trouble because the impacts of our activities spread more and more into the unknown. We don't even know the thoughts of our spouse and children, but somehow we have certainty of what is in the mind of God.

 

[FearGod]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

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I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

The whole universe has one God regardless of the many religions and beliefs.

 

[dianaiad]

Inasmuch as there is a God (and I believe that there is) then every theist worships Him. We may not all have the same ideas about Him, but if there's only One, then that's where all the worship goes. Some of us may be more correct in our ideas about Him, and sometimes the wrong ideas actually matter, but none of us know everything, and I have the sneaking suspicion that we are all wrong about Him in at least one or two things, but...

yeah. We all worship the same God, even if some of us want to hog Him all to ourselves and claim that everybody else is worshiping the wrong One, as if simply by changing ideas and theories about Him, one can split God up into little bits for everybody else, and you have to fish around in the pond to get the 'right' one.

Of course, if you are going to ask who has the most correct ideas ABOUT God, well, that's a different question and the answer is, of course, me. Or at least the belief system I hold to.

..............of course that's the answer I would give no matter what belief system I held to, because if I thought I DIDN'T have the most correct information about Him, I'd go find a system that had better answers, join that and THEN I'd claim to have the best answers. I think that's a fairly safe bet for most of us, yes?

 

[J2hapydna]

Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arab Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah"

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The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.[35][36]

A Christian leader named Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad was martyred in Najran in 523, as he had worn a ring that said "Allah is my lord".[35][37]

In an inscription of Christian martyrion dated back to 512, references to Allah can be found in both Arabic and Aramaic, which called him "Allah" and "Alaha", and the inscription starts with the statement "By the Help of Allah".[35][38][39]

In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written by Arab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia.[40][41][42]

I would certainly like to see confirmation and photos of this evidence.

I have to say, it's hard to believe that this evidence has been sitting around, but responsible academics and journalists such as those at National Geographic and our great universities etc were sitting around twiddling their thumbs, unable to collect it to put an end to the all the false rumors and innuendos about Allah being a moon god etc.

 

[soma]

As a Christian I feel the exceptional finding that there is one God awaits each one of us, giving us the ability to change our lives for the better by bringing together everything in our life in order to connect and know where we belong. When we understand the true meaning of Unity, our concept of God expands and builds a greater awareness of God’s presence within us and in our relationships in diversity that lead us to peace. It is a journey towards unity and a new way of living where the obstructions between the internal and external come to an end and harmony and serenity become the norm. As we progress on this journey to oneness, we find our lives gradually transformed in a positive way, which includes both the conscious and unconscious. This balance brings the discovery of a new reality along with equilibrium between the rational and irrational, the intellect and instinct, and between unity in diversity and diversity in unity. The one thing we have in common is our diversity where we think freely as individuals as we see fit, together like it should be in unison like the different branches on a tree bearing fruit. Separate diverse individuals aware, appreciating and respecting different values, each other and our human ability to develop, to find our own way in life as well as our talents and importance in order to contribute to the whole. Deep inside we all know that we are unique, awe-inspiring beings with the ability to come to terms with our life and to put something together to enrich and tap into our potential. We all worship the same God.

 

[RESOLUTION]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God

Jews and Christians worship the same God. Muslims do not worship the same God for they have no Covenant with God.

2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

No they are NOT sects of Judaism. Christianity is the fulfilment of the Gentiles coming to know God in the Covenant promised to the Jews. Isaac was the Son of the Promise and he was the Son Chosen by God. Christ is the promised Messiah and the Son of God. Islam do not accept the word of God or his word about his people the descendants of Abraham.

Judaism makes it clear there is ONLY ONE GOD and he does not change nor does his word alter.

He has never changed his mind about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or Jesus Christ the Son of God.

In Dueteronomy
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.


Christ is the direct descendant of that line. There is claim that Mahoment claimed he was a descendant of Ishmael.

The Messiah, the true Prophet can only come from the Jewish line through Isaacs descendant. So Christians are Jews by the covenant of Christ in that they are grafted in.


And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

 

[Sakeenah]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

Islamically we believe that jews,christians and muslims worship the same God.
However, it is true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of God.
For example as muslims we reject the Christian beliefs of the trinity and the divine Incarnation. But this does not mean that each of these three religions worship a different God because we believe there is only one true God.

 

[jac]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

Christianity is a continuation of the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion was bound by the old covenant and Christianity is bound by the new. So you could call Christianity a off shoot of Judaism. In fact some believe that the book of Acts was written to convince the Romans that Christianity was not a new religion. So from that standpoint they worship the same God. From the history I have read Mohammad formed Islam using rules from the old testament which is why both don't do things like eat pork. So the God of the Jews and Allah appear to be the same. However, neither the Jews nor Islam recognize Christ or the trinity, those are Christian beliefs. So while technically the God of all three are the same I think it is more correct to say that the God of Judaism and Islam is the same while the God of the Christians is a different form of the same God.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism
I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?​

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Islam is a sect of Judaism. Judaism is a sect of Christianity. I know many of you will say that Judaism came first, but that is not true. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. So, Jesus already existed, he is I am. Jesus walked with Adam and Eve, and he visited and sat and ate with Abraham. So, before Judaism, people were already having a personal relationship with the Lord. This type of relationship with God that is made known thru Jesus is the foundation of Christianity and predates all religions. Judaism came into being so that the King of Kings could be born among us and save mankind from sin thru a line of people set aside from others, and these people be keepers of the law until all things be fulfilled by Jesus.

We all believe in the same God; however, we do not all put the same characteristics on him or have cultural embellishments added on to true worship. Religions cannot change God, God stays constant, but it is the human mind that can determine how God is perceived. There is one God that is The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If anyone wants to pray to him as God minus the Son, or God minus the Son and the Holy Spirit, that isn't changing God. It is only changing God in our mind's and how we worship Him. Rather than be divisive, we can all pray for one another in our path in finding God and worshiping and glorifying and loving Him without all your heart, mind and soul, then loving one another. This would be the best step forward in finding the true God and the true way to worship and to be understanding of each other.

 

[Repox]

The word "Allah" existed before Islam. So yes christians use it.

From the arabic Bible :

Genesis 1.1

فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالارْضَ


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1 :: Arabic/English Online Bible

(You can see the word "Allah" in my picture profile too.)

Here a christian song from a lebanese singer (om = mother) :

Because people lived in different periods and had different trials.
From a muslim point of view it can be understood as a way to differenciate the belivers from the others, to see which one is truly following God or to help the believers to stay strong in their faith.

So for us all come from God, God is the same even if the laws may be different.

5.43 But how is it that they come to you for judgement while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah ? *
5.44 (...) The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars (...)
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

* (a group of people who came to him whishing he gives an other Law about a judgement but he judged them according to their own Book)

5.47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

5.48
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. (...)

To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.


In general muslims view christians are God's believers.
They are seen as a same group the trinitarians and the others all together. (in general)
But if we really look at it, of course those who believe Jesus to be God are not trully monotheists.
If muslims and christians must join together to pray God then it may be difficult.
Yet they are considerated to be People of the Book even if they believe so.

I try to be objective about God. Why would he chose one religion over another. My problem with the Koran is it plagiarized the Bible. If Allah is God, why did he use Jewish holy books to write the Koran. It seems logical to propose Allah would have his own holy book. How can you declare Jews to be infidels when you have taken their holy book? I know there are many cultures and different people related to those cultures, but there must be common ground. Otherwise, we have continue strive, wars, and bloodshed. Is God therefore a bloodthirsty warlord? I know the answer must be no, but history contradicts the answer.

 

[Pastek]

However, neither the Jews nor Islam recognize Christ or the trinity, those are Christian beliefs.

What do you mean we don't recognize the Christ ? We recognize that he's the Messiah.

My problem with the Koran is it plagiarized the Bible. If Allah is God, why did he use Jewish holy books to write the Koran. It seems logical to propose Allah would have his own holy book.

Actually the Quran already says that what we have in our Book is not new, and call the prophet Muhammad a "reminder" for people (non believers) who didn't pay attention to the previous religions or used to mock them.
Why would we have something different if it's the same God ?

Is God therefore a bloodthirsty warlord? I know the answer must be no, but history contradicts the answer.

Well people don't always need God (as a pretext) to kill themselves.

 

[peter22]

This is my take

Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God

I do not agree with this statement. From the Christian perspective, God is three persons one God. Needless to say there is a close connection between Christianity and Judaism, we both worship God the Father, but Christians worship the Trinity and Jews only the Father, so I suppose kind of but not quite. Its a little like a Venn diagram with an area of crossover in the middle. I do not believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God in any sense, or at the very least the Islamic understanding of the nature of God seems to be fundamentally different from the Christian understanding.

Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism.

In the very early days of the Christian Church, there are some senses in which Christianity was almost sect of Judaism. For instance, in the Book of Acts the Apostles are recorded as attending services at the Temple. The Council of Jerusalem, in deciding that Christians need not be circumcised or obey all aspects of the Mosaic Law does rather act as a point of departure.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I do not believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God in any sense, or at the very least the Islamic understanding of the nature of God seems to be fundamentally different from the Christian understanding.

Muslims view God in the same way as Jews. You can't say that Jews worship the Father but that Muslims don't.

 

[shmogie]

I wanted to ask: If Muslims, Jews and Christians do worship the same God, then why do Muslims not worship Jesus as God as the Christians do and why don't Christians worship Allah as God as the Muslims do? Why don't the Jews worship Allah and Jesus as God as the Muslims and Christians do?

allah is NOT the same God as that of Christians and Jews. 600 years after Christianity, and thousands of years after Judaism, mohammed produced "allah". islam is based upon borrowings from Christianity and Judaism, as well as much reflecting the personality and lusts of mohammed. His "god', which he invented, gave him supremacy over every aspect of the lives of his followers, a great invention for a power mad psychopath, and it worked well for him. The God of the Bible has a number of names, none of which are "allah". The Arabian moon god of mohammeds time is actually the closest to his invention.


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[McBell]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

It doe snot appear to me that all Christians worship the same god....