Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

[sayak83]

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Neither Orthodox, Liberal, Conservative, Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews accept a "Jesus" as a prophetic figure.





I wasn't aware that we are in the early 1st century of the common era and that the Temple still stands. Cool news though.





Ah my head begins to hurt again...

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A Jewish View of Jesus - The Neshamah Center

 

[Daisies4me]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

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I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

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Technically, yes. Although they don't realize it.... 2 Corinthians 4:4 applies to most 'religions' that exist today.
The One True God and Creator of all things, the Father of Jesus the Christ, is not worshipped by any of those groups. What passes for 'Christianity' (Christendom) worships a mysterious Triad that is not found anywhere in the Bible. Or, they worship the Creation (Jesus) rather than the Creator, Jehovah of Armies, who is 'One Jehovah' , not divided. IMHO. Islam does accept that Jesus was a prophet of God, although they do not accept that God has a 'son', as if that would mean that God defiled himself thru a sex act.... rather than thinking of Jesus as a 'created being' that God created without help from anyone else... 'the only-begotten son'.

 

[Daisies4me]

No. It is quite the challenge to find two people who worship the same God, as a matter of fact.

"God" is far too personal an idea for that to be easily achievable.

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Actually, there is only one True God worshipped today, all others are different forms of the attempts by satan to disguise himself as an 'angel of light' in order to deceive and mislead whomever he can after him, and away from the True God, Jehovah. And there is easily a number of active worshipers of Jehovah in 236 lands and over 400 languages in excess of 9 million. All are in agreement as to the identity of the True God, and all are in agreement on what the Scriptures teach about Him. They are united in worship of the one Jesus called "the only True God" at John 17:3, that being Jehovah as the most commonly accepted pronunciation of the ancient YOD He Vah He, who spoke His Name to Moses in Exodus 6:2.

 

[Daisies4me]

I will say no because. How do you worship God if you don't know God? And according to Jesus, the only way to know God the Father is to know the Son. So if you reject the Son as the Son of God, and image of God, then you cannot worship God since you do not know God. Make sense?

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It is true that God sent His Son, Jesus into the world to teach us about God Himself. Jesus is the second Most Powerful entity in the Universe. Second only to His God and Father, Jehovah. Read the prayers Jesus said and is recorded in the 17th Book of John. Jesus tells us that God sent him forth into the world to make God's Name known. Jesus is the "way", or avenue thru which sinful humans born of Adam in the sin of their human parents, could approach The Almighty Father in prayer, (which is why all prayers are asked 'in the name of Jesus') and also, by means of His perfect life given as a Ransom for sinful mankind, we all now have the hope of the Resurrection from the death condition, at the appointed time, when Jesus will call all in the Memorial tombs, to 'come out' from the death state, and live again. John 5:28-29. Recognizing Jesus as God's Anointed Son and King designate of the Kingdom, is necessary, as without putting faith in God's provision for salvation, no one can 'come to' the True God, Jehovah. He is the One God has Appointed to rule for 1,000 years as King over the earth during the restoration and resurrection, after the cleansing holy war of God, foretold at Revelation 16:14, 16, which will fulfill Psalms 37:9-11, 29. These are my personal beliefs on the matter.

 

[Native]

"Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?"

If holding onto the dogma of the "one and only one God" of the Jewish, Muslim and Christian religions, all tree of course worships the same God, also in the context of "the one God who created everything".

 

[idav]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

They are all the same God, the differences amount to something similar to arguing if God was ever married.

 

[Tarheeler]

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A Jewish View of Jesus - The Neshamah Center

Maybe you should actually read what you link to. The author writes: "In this blog post, I am not presenting any kind of authoritative “Jewish view of Jesus.” There is no such thing. I’m just presenting my personal opinion... "



A Jew might think Jesus is something. The Jews certainly do not.

 

[sayak83]

Maybe you should actually read what you link to. The author writes: "In this blog post, I am not presenting any kind of authoritative “Jewish view of Jesus.” There is no such thing. I’m just presenting my personal opinion... "



A Jew might think Jesus is something. The Jews certainly do not.

You should also read what I said. I said Jesus is being recognized as an imp prophetic figure in late 2nd temple judaism among the Jewish scholarship. This among those Jewish scholars who work in and is associated in academia.

 

[Tarheeler]

You should also read what I said. I said Jesus is being recognized as an imp prophetic figure in late 2nd temple judaism among the Jewish scholarship. This among those Jewish scholars who work in and is associated in academia.

And when asked for proof you linked to one man's blog who makes it clear it is his, and only his, opinion.


Can you provide anything that states that Jewish academia sees Jesus as a prophet? Anything from Yeshiva University? The Rabbinical Assembly? The Orthodox Union? JTA? The Rabbinical Council of America? European or Israeli Rabbinical groups? You know.... groups of Jewish scholars?

 

[Jeff Strehlow]

I'd question whether all Christians worship the same God.

I agree with that. Clearly, not all Christians agree on who/what God is. They have a completely different conception of God, so it's reasonable to say that they don't worship the same god.

One might ask whether the general Jewish conception of God--shared by the most Jews--is the same as the general Christian conception of God.

 

[Transvergence]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

The three daughters of Abraham are seen in Eze. 16. The older two are also in chapter 23 where they are both said to be wives of God. It doesn't say that the third sister was a wife of God. We can conclude that she was, since the others were. Or, we can conclude that she wasn't, since it doesn't say so.

In the end, The older and younger sisters are given to the middle aged sister as daughters, but not according to her covenant. They will become one, but not as any one is. They will all transform and converge into the same thing, New Jerusalem.

 

[HeironymusJones]

Of course the do. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are what are known as the Abrahamic Faiths because they all worship the same god: The God of Abraham. Their differences in approach are entirely cultural. I mean, even among Christianity there are over 30,000 sects and denominations, most of which feel the other is apostate. So, yes, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same god.

 

[Vaderecta]

Yes. Although we differ in many theological things, we still seek the same God who revealed himself to Abraham.

And all the generations and people before him and all their religions be damned. This one dude... he is the one. (Neo?) Well there is Jesus too and well sometimes Mohammad... until then... no one knew anything. Our lives are saved because of them! (Then they go off and flick the switch for light someone else created, brush their teeth for some atheist dental hygienist they secretly hate and stop at red lights God clearly placed for peace on earth)

At some point our cognitive understanding of the world was less effort to give up thinking about it and assume God did it. At least many religions still posit that power into the hands of many gods but some unimaginative souls still believe everything came from one entity because that one being just wanted to test their own existence to see which parts of themselves they need to extinguish and to thus represent their godliness in such ungodly ways with no ability to even validate wikipedia as to seem convincing to others unskilled in the art of bull**** detection. Do not fret. It is working quite well.

 

[whirlingmerc]

And is theologically speaking Christianity and Islam sects of Judaism?

I hope I am posting this in the correct forum. Recently, during the course of a debate elsewhere these two propositions have been asserted as factual statements:

1. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God
2. Theologically, Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism

​

I am interested in the views of others, especially Jews, Christians and Muslims on whether they agree with either one or both of the propositions, and if not why not?

Muslims to not believe God adopts and do not believe Jesus died rose or is the son of God... and yet these are the basis of salvation as presented in the New Testament... so ... there are significant differences in views

 

[capumetu]

No sir. There are 2 real Gods vying for supremacy. You belong to one or the other, everybody is involved. The true God is Jehovah, the other is satan.

Nothing is required to be one of satan's disciples you simply do as you please. Worshippers of Jehovah however submit to the teachings of Jesus and the apostles. There is but one faith (Eph 4:5) that Jehovah accepts as His.

Want to learn more? capumetu @yours.com

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[J2hapydna]

allah is NOT the same God as that of Christians and Jews. 600 years after Christianity, and thousands of years after Judaism, mohammed produced "allah". islam is based upon borrowings from Christianity and Judaism, as well as much reflecting the personality and lusts of mohammed. His "god', which he invented, gave him supremacy over every aspect of the lives of his followers, a great invention for a power mad psychopath, and it worked well for him. The God of the Bible has a number of names, none of which are "allah". The Arabian moon god of mohammeds time is actually the closest to his invention.


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What do you make of the links (in post 69), that suggest Allah was the word used by Christian Arabs before Islam? Apparently Christian Arabs still use the word Allah to describe God in the Arabic Bible.

 

[GerryAllwin]

I'd agree with the first. In fact, I'd go farther and say that all theists worship the same God, we just understand Him/Her/Them/It in different ways.

I'd strongly disagree with the second; Islam was never associated with Judaism, and Christianity ceased being part of Judaism shortly after it began. While there are similarities between them, the fundamental beliefs are quite different.

Islam is directly related to Judaism. The Al-Quran quotes and paraphrases many passages from the Babylonian Talmud, the great legal encyclopedia of Judaism. Muhammad had close relations with Jews until, when they would not convert to his religion and politics, he massacred thousands.
Christianity is the continuation of the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses, not a new religion.

 

[David T]

Alfred North Whitehead in "Science and Modern World," discusses in great detail something similar (though I'd describe it as something more than cult, given science's institutional development and general recognition), in the sense of Science being in the Prophetic tradition. Science has discarded metaphysics, or philosophy, but yet it retains its own unspoken premises and frames of reference as any philosophy and religion does. All of which which go uninspected because in discarding metaphysics it also threw away the very tool used to address these questions.

One premise without rational basis, for example, is separation of mind/spirit and matter. Another is that you can know something by knowing its parts, or reductionism.

The Whiteheadean theologian John Cobb sees that all prophetic religions as being involved in a secularization of the world by placing God outside of it and only having access through the mediation of a particular revelation. Science is not transcendence of this, says Cobb, but its full realization.

Cobb writes: "Modernity arose through a process of secularization. This was in part a continuation of the prophetic tradition within Christianity. In this tradition God is sharply distinguished from the world and the way things are. God's transcendence is emphasized. God judges the world. God's will calls for the transformation of the world. Thus the world as it is is not sacred. It is the creation of God but not itself divine. Human beings are free to explore it and to use it."

This secularization of nature and the series of prophets that promoted it historically probably originates with the rise of agriculture and cities, which brought with them a different relationship between humans and the planet. For pre-urban societies nature was seen as the Deity incarnate, because it fed and clothed people and sustained people without significant intervention. Early anthropologists named this relationship of humans with the world "animism" because most non-urban peoples prior to European expansion and colonization across world perceived everything animated by and taking form the Deity: the soil, trees, water, animals and plants. Agricultural societies of Middle East and Central Asia, as well as Central America, in contrast plowed up the natural ecosystems to plant their crops, and nature started to become capricious, unforgiving and even hostile. God, like the land, started appearing as something distant, capricious and hostile, and required a mediation in the same manner that growing states and empires took a mediating role between populations and the land.

Once the world is treated as a secular thing, you can exploit it, which is why there is such a close relationship between the spread of the prophetic great religions and destruction of traditional societies and nature. I'd suggest this was something that was going on among all the early urban cultures that arose with domestication of plants and animals, and the rise of the city, of which the Hebrews were but one.

You definitely got my attention with whitehead and Cobb. I actually don't know how to write in context to whitehead and Cobb very well and I am very familiar with both of them without reading them. So when you wrote the above, it's a bit like reading my own thoughts being articulated by someone else that I have never actually read but am familiar with. It's like a guitar riff that I discovered, in my noodling on a guitar, that riff has been articulated by someone else on a record. That's interesting to me in actually how that happens.

BTW I have contemplated a lot on Whiteheads conversion from being known as such a foremost mathematical reductionist along with Bertrand Russell to the exact opposite. Gödel's theorem seems to have been almost a road to Damascus experience for him. I have visualized it as an engineer working in lumber mill, along with other engineers. They all believe that their math determines the strength of the lumber. Then one day a fellow engineer sends out a memo showing through math that math does not determine the strength of the lumber but rather the lumbers strength is determining the math. It's like he suddenly realized, oh wait, nature determines not us. And he just quits walks out the door to smell the roses and write and see in a totally different way. Obviously his wife was a huge positive influence on him.

 

[shmogie]

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What do you make of the links (in post 69), that suggest Allah was the word used by Christian Arabs before Islam? Apparently Christian Arabs still use the word Allah to describe God in the Arabic Bible.

If the word is used as generic term for God, that is one thing, referring to the bogus god of mohammed is definitely another. There are names of God in The OT, most notably YHWH, in the NT, written in Koine Greek, the words used are " God", ' Lord", no where associated with Christianity or Judaism is "allah" found in the foundation documents of the Faith's

 

[hzcummi]

The Jews worship Yehovah, the creator of our universe. True Christianity worships Yeshua (Jesus), who merged with Yehovah upon His second ascension to Heaven (in Galilee).

The Muslims worship an Arabian idol "moon god" named Allah, making the false claim that Ishmael was part of "the promise" given to Abraham. But it is another gentile falsehood created to deceive mankind. The Catholic regime created Islam, in a scheme to obtain the rights to Jerusalem.

The birthright bloodline was from Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. In Genesis 50:24 and Exodus 2:24, it is confirmed that God made His covenant with those three. God made no such covenant with, and nor did He ever speak to, Ishmael. It is the same type of lie Satan told to Eve ("thou shalt not surely die").

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