Do They Teach Anything In Institutes of Higher Learning?

[Woberts]

And what you and others, as in the above, does not get old?

Considering the very real possibility of societal collapse as a result of economic disparity happening within this century, not really.

 

[Stanyon]

like it or not, socialism is on the rise among young adults

It typically is, for those who are just starting out on their own having to pay their dues seems a lost concept. For some,starting out on the bottom rung can be traumatic as leaving the nest can be scary and unforgiving but is a necessary step to become an adult the "unfairness" of the world is just having to work for something instead of mommy and daddy taking on all the responsibilities so they look to other "mommies and daddies" to take care of them.

 

[Fool]

I've seen it all before.
Young'ns have the luxury of believing all sorts of things.
But experience tempers the more outlandish ones.
Think it's bad now? The 60s were worse.

service to self isn't logical. capitalism is doomed. only as a whole does service to self work.

capitalists generally turn into philanthropists by nature; which is an unconscious form of socialism

 

[Revoltingest]

service to self isn't logical.

Why?

capitalism is doomed. only as a whole does service to self work.

Empirically, service to the hive has yet to work out well.
You know....Mao's PRC, USSR, N Korea, Cuba....
But capitalism....it's the best system yet discovered.

capitalists generally turn into philanthropists by nature; which is an unconscious form of socialism

Socialism is the people owning the means of production.
Philanthropy is individuals owning it, & donating some to charity.

 

[Fool]

Why?

individuation is just stroking the ego. it fails inevitably. you inevitably return with what you came with. the illusion is that somehow you are special in comparison to other as self, who is seen as not special.

Empirically, service to the hive has yet to work out well.

empirically the drive is towards the collective unconscious.

But capitalism....it's the best system yet discovered.

but most will agree that the golden rule is the rule to follow.

Philanthropy is individuals owning it, & donating some to charity.

uh huh; which is just another form of socialism in action. someone determining who gets what resources, jobs, et al..

 

[Revoltingest]

individuation is just stroking the ego. it fails inevitably. you inevitably return with what you came with. the illusion is that somehow you are special in comparison to other as self, who is seen as not special.

No, that won't do.
It's just an expansion of the original claim.
You said it isn't "logical".
This requires logical reasoning from stated premises.

empirically the drive is towards the collective unconscious.

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

uh huh; which is just another form of socialism in action. someone determining who gets what resources, jobs, et al..

But under capitalism, the individual gets to own one's own time & property.
To donate or not is the individual's choice.
Under socialism, the individual has no such control.
The hive runs all.

There's an old saying in Revoltistan (which I just invented).....
Capitalism may be revolting, but
only a Fool prefers socialism.

 

[Nakosis]

Seems that education in our institutes of higher learning is either lacking or the students do not pay attention.
I really don't like to pick on the darling of the new left or the media ( ) but it seems that their poster child, Ocasio-Cortez needs to go back to do a little research before making a fool of herself (of course her admires do not have a clue she is wrong). She is reported to have graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)

US schools aren't very good. We often are forced to hire people schooled in foreign countries to find someone actually qualified for the job.

As most information for class project can be gotten online and teachers are reviewed for easy grading also online, we are not really teaching people to think for themselves anymore. You don't really have to figure anything out on your own anymore.

 

[Fool]

No, that won't do.
It's just an expansion of the original claim.
You said it isn't "logical".
This requires logical reasoning from stated premises.

the personality dies. you came with nothing your return is nothing. all your materialism is eventually in vain.

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

good or bad is irrelevant. it is what it is

But under capitalism, the individual gets to own one's own time & property.
To donate or not is the individual's choice.
Under socialism, the individual has no such control.
The hive runs all.

There's an old saying in Revoltistan (which I just invented).....
Capitalism may be revolting, but
only a Fool prefers socialism.

in socialism all individuals own all things. it's a loan and the loan is returned to humanity as it was given. a capitalists works for possibly 50-80 yrs accumulating something that inevitably becomes someone else's anyway; if not sooner as a philanthropist.

the futility of the short term ends up in a balance of -0- long term. unfortunately the capitalist has to convince everyone that what they are selling is very, very valuable.

like someone said a sucker is born every minute.

enjoy the game while you play it. but the game ends and inevitably what goes up, must come down.

 

[Revoltingest]

the personality dies. you came with nothing your return is nothing. all your materialism is eventually in vain.

My personality hasn't died.
You might not like it, but here it is.
And still, you've listed no premises from which
you've reasoned capitalism to be illogical.

good or bad is irrelevant. it is what it is

I prefer systems which have good results to systems which have bad ones.

in socialism all individuals own all things. it's a loan and the loan is returned to humanity as it was given. a capitalists works for possibly 50-80 yrs accumulating something that inevitably becomes someone else's anyway; if not sooner as a philanthropist.

the futility of the short term ends up in a balance of -0- long term. unfortunately the capitalist has to convince everyone that what they are selling is very, very valuable.

like someone said a sucker is born every minute.

enjoy the game while you play it. but the game ends and inevitably what goes up, must come down.

Let's consider examples....
In what countries has socialism worked out well?
And no cheating by citing capitalist countries which have a social
safety net, & calling them "socialist". An example must be one
wherein the people own & control the means of production.

 

[Altfish]

and you believe what she says she wants will work?

I'm not sure BUT why are the GOP and their supporters so hung up about her?
If she was a loser you'd be ignoring (or even encouraging her) but she's not and you're trying to throw muck at her in a constant barage of non-issues.

 

[Fool]

My personality hasn't died.
You might not like it, but here it is.
And still, you've listed no premises from which
you've reasoned capitalism to be illogical.

I prefer systems which have good results to systems which have bad ones.

Let's consider examples....
In what countries has socialism worked out well?
And no cheating by citing capitalist countries which have a social
safety net, & calling them "socialist". An example must be one
wherein the people own & control the means of production.

what you desire is "your" desire. you're not worried about how "your" desire might impede your travels with so much baggage. thats ok. its your trip.


one man's treasure is another's trash. it's not necessary to life. capitalism does not support humanity. it's focus is on individuals at the expense of humanity.
it's an ego trip. one can be wealthy without idolizing materialism. wealthy is a relative term.


socialism seems to work best under non-materialistic and spiritually advanced communities

 

[icehorse]

Most people don't recall most of the facts they learned while getting a degree, and that seems okay. What they SHOULD be learning is how to think. i suspect that's mostly not happening these days.

 

[Revoltingest]

socialism seems to work best under non-materialistic and spiritually advanced communities

Positive examples?

 

[Fool]

Positive examples?

you win

 

[Revoltingest]

you win

Wait...that was not my goal!
(It was torment & mirth.)

 

[Fool]

Wait...that was not my goal!
(It was torment & mirth.)

enjoy the trip but don't let "your" stuff become more important than your relationships to the love of others.. that is what hoarders do. they lose people in the mess that becomes their treasure, their lives. and where ever one's heart is, there their treasure is too.

love's speed

 

[Father Heathen]

The question is....
Does O'Casio favor "socialism" as defined, or "socialism" which is
actually capitalism with a social safety net (the Scandinavian model)?
I haven't seen her provide any detail.

Whenever I hear the word "socialism" mentioned, it's almost always a straw man from the right. I have never actually heard any liberal express a desire for a model like the USSR, PDRK, etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seems that education in our institutes of higher learning is either lacking or the students do not pay attention.
I really don't like to pick on the darling of the new left or the media ( ) but it seems that their poster child, Ocasio-Cortez needs to go back to do a little research before making a fool of herself (of course her admires do not have a clue she is wrong). She is reported to have graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)

She is young and inexperienced and is being constantly interviewed. She is going to say something stupid sooner or later. But how can you complain about her when you support Trump? If you compared stupid statements we all know how would win hands (rather small ones) down.

 

[Revoltingest]

enjoy the trip but don't let "your" stuff become more important than your relationships to the love of others.. that is what hoarders do. they lose people in the mess that becomes their treasure, their lives. and where ever one's heart is, there their treasure is too.

love's speed

Stuff doesn't control me.
I control the stuff.

 

[Revoltingest]

Whenever I hear the word "socialism" mentioned, it's almost always a straw man from the right. I have never actually heard any liberal express a desire for a model like the USSR, PDRK, etc.

It's a straw man from both sides.
The right wants to demonize it.
The left wants to sanitize it.