Do They Teach Anything In Institutes of Higher Learning?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The thing about school.....
Just as learning science doesn't cure religion,
learning economics doesn't cure socialist dreams.

You may be right, but I contend, at the very least, that there is cure for ignorance (about any topic at all). And I offer my conjecture that a cure for ignorance on many topics could well be a cure for religion, and a cure for ignorance on many other topics may well be a cure for socialist dream.

 

[Revoltingest]

You may be right, but I contend, at the very least, that there is cure for ignorance (about any topic at all). And I offer my conjecture that a cure for ignorance on many topics could well be a cure for religion, and a cure for ignorance on many other topics may well be a cure for socialist dream.

Experience is always a great supplement to theory.

 

[Kapalika]

This is inspiring me to make a topic about various misconceptions regarding education.

The long and the short of it is that having a degree - especially just a Bachelor's degree - doesn't mean you stop being a limited, flawed human person. You don't suddenly stop making mistakes, and you aren't suddenly granted topical omniscience. You don't magically loose all emotional/ideological philosophies and life experiences that shape your worldview either.

If this is supposed to be an argument against education, it is a poor one.

It's an argument against "that socialist!" meant to undermine her credibility.

 

[esmith]

I might have trouble pouring it, but
I did learn to tell it apart from....

The secret is in the smell, not the taste.

Well at least your shoes will not attract fly's with this....the other will.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well at least your shoes will not attract fly's with this....the other will.

I hadn't considered that advantage.
Sometimes you old guys are a fount of wisdom.

 

[sayak83]

So are you willing to live under say Sweden's type of socialism?
What America Can Learn from Sweden

Of course. Any day.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

individuation is just stroking the ego. it fails inevitably. you inevitably return with what you came with. the illusion is that somehow you are special in comparison to other as self, who is seen as not special..

So all you really seem to be saying here is that getting here and leaving are important...but what happens in between is of no concern whatever. There is nothing wrong, actually, with thinking that we are all special, in our own way, and all entitled to fulfill ourselves, also in our own way. While we actually have a life to live.

Bizarre.

 

[Ellen Brown]

How would teachers & resources be paid for if they're free.
One thing I found useful....
Before taking a spendy class, ensure that it'll be useful.

My memory is fuzzy on this, but I think that the Community Colleges at least used to be free, and had transfer classes. Not sure about the text books. My two years of classes were supposed to be Transfer Classes, but when I approached the University, they has a good laugh.

Not everyone should go to Higher Education. What little I know of it, I like the UK system, where those who wish to push on have to pass tests, and there is an option for Trade schools. Not sure how it is paid for, but I think there is no direct cost to the student. England is virtually bankrupt now and I do not know any details of the situation.

 

[Fool]

So all you really seem to be saying here is that getting here and leaving are important...but what happens in between is of no concern whatever. There is nothing wrong, actually, with thinking that we are all special, in our own way, and all entitled to fulfill ourselves, also in our own way. While we actually have a life to live.

Bizarre.

nope, what i'm saying is that becoming attached to things can't give you that human touch. you're a self-professing humanist. what is a humanist but one who sees humane treatment as the the guiding light?


love is a fundamental necessity


love feels love when it feels other as self. he who dies with the most toys, who can he trust but the one's he loves?


what good is the game if you have no one to play with? what good is a thing; if there is no one to share the experience with?

A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil. This too, I see, is from the hand of Love, for without it, who can eat or find enjoyment? To the person who pleases it, Love gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases Love. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

nope, what i'm saying is that becoming attached to things can't give you that human touch. you're a self-professing humanist. what is a humanist but one who sees humane treatment as the the guiding light?


love is a fundamental necessity


love feels love when it feels other as self. he who dies with the most toys, who can he trust but the one's he love?


what good is the game if you have no one to play with? what good is a thing; if there is no one to share the experience with?

A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil. This too, I see, is from the hand of Love, for without it, who can eat or find enjoyment? To the person who pleases it, Love gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases Love. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Too much bumpf, for me. I like it simpler:

• I have life, it is mine to live
• I may need to provide for myself the means to live it, therefore, I'll do what I must
• I do indeed need love, and I also need to love -- life's riches all come from our deepest connections, not only to people but to experiences
• And I need to understand that in all eternity, this is the only life that I shall ever have...thus, I really want to make the most of it.

 

[Shad]

If all jobs pay well then the two jobs would be held by two people instead of one. So unemployment would decrease.

All Jobs are not equal nor cost of living and the idea of "well".

 

[Shad]

The question is....
Does O'Casio favor "socialism" as defined, or "socialism" which is
actually capitalism with a social safety net (the Scandinavian model)?
I haven't seen her provide any detail.

Do you accept her membership with DSA, means of production socialism, as representative of her views?

 

[Revoltingest]

My memory is fuzzy on this, but I think that the Community Colleges at least used to be free, and had transfer classes. Not sure about the text books. My two years of classes were supposed to be Transfer Classes, but when I approached the University, they has a good laugh.

Not everyone should go to Higher Education. What little I know of it, I like the UK system, where those who wish to push on have to pass tests, and there is an option for Trade schools. Not sure how it is paid for, but I think there is no direct cost to the student. England is virtually bankrupt now and I do not know any details of the situation.

Here, community colleges cost money, as do trade schools.
But were I in charge, public schools would offer a trade option.
Not everyone is college bound.
Moreover, I've found that many people need a trade application
in order to take any interest in math. Alas, math instruction is
awful except for those kids with an interest.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you accept her membership with DSA, means of production socialism, as representative of her views?

As I said, I'm not familiar enuf with her views to say.
Nominal political affiliation doesn't illuminate things.

 

[sayak83]

All Jobs are not equal nor cost of living and the idea of "well".

We can make a rule on minimum wage that changes according to cost of living in a given region.

 

[Shad]

We can make a rule on minimum wage that changes according to cost of living in a given region.

Horrible idea as the job's wage is not always the cause of the problem.

 

[esmith]

We can make a rule on minimum wage that changes according to cost of living in a given region.

So, as usual people come up with ideas but have no idea how to implement it.
As in the above.
How would you determine the regions?
How would you divide the regions?
How would you determine the cost of living?
How would you "enforce" your minimum wage on a "private" company?

On other points.
Do you think that say a student that say works at a fast food restaurant should make minimum wage? If so why do you think so.
Do you think that say a waitress wage should include "tip" money?
Why do you want the government to dictate to a private company the wages they pay. Do you not think that it would be wiser to allow the wages to seek a value based on supply and demand.

 

[sealchan]

Seems that education in our institutes of higher learning is either lacking or the students do not pay attention.
I really don't like to pick on the darling of the new left or the media ( ) but it seems that their poster child, Ocasio-Cortez needs to go back to do a little research before making a fool of herself (of course her admires do not have a clue she is wrong). She is reported to have graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)

A lot of things get taught in college but it depends on the student how or if those facts get integrated.

As a politician she should be careful about getting her facts straight but in politics facts often have to negotiate with values. Facts do not always tell the whole story so they require values to prioritize them. You get people thinking from the right value perspective then you know how the facts line up to meet people's needs.

From a thinking type perspective this might seem strange, but in a world where the rich get more medical care and nations full of grown-ups point nuclear weapons at each other it makes you realize that values are somewhat deficient.

 

[columbus]

So, the employment figures are low because people have more than one job? Gee, even I know that is bunk, and I'm just a High School grad with over 20 years in the military.

It depends on what is being counted.
If "fully employed" is considered "works at least 40 hours per week", someone stuck working 2 low wage, no benefits, part-time jobs counts. Even though that's not what most people want.

There's lies, damn lies, and then statistics!
Tom

 

[esmith]

A lot of things get taught in college but it depends on the student how or if those facts get integrated.

As a politician she should be careful about getting her facts straight but in politics facts often have to negotiate with values. Facts do not always tell the whole story so they require values to prioritize them. You get people thinking from the right value perspective then you know how the facts line up to meet people's needs.

From a thinking type perspective this might seem strange, but in a world where the rich get more medical care and nations full of grown-ups point nuclear weapons at each other it makes you realize that values are somewhat deficient.

WHAT?????