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Do They Teach Anything In Institutes of Higher Learning?

Jumi

Well-Known Member
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)
Don't know the person, but isn't that social democrat though? Like the kind that brings you Ikea furniture and fashion clothing instead of banana republics either 100% pro-US or anti-US.
 

Skipper

Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
Question: Is real economics even taught?
Maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me if one wants a degree in economics they should also have a real understanding of history. Probably wrong again.

Economics is not history and history is not economics. Now you might find a course on the history of economics. The economics courses I took in college had nothing to do with history and history had nothing to do with economics, other than mentioning books like The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith or the writings of Karl Marx or Friedrich Engles. I am sure others were mentioned in the history classes, but nothing in-depth of their philosophies.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Question: Is real economics even taught?
Maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me if one wants a degree in economics they should also have a real understanding of history. Probably wrong again.
Since you were and are for Trump's tax cut, you simply have no room to talk as it is in no way fiscally conservative.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Whenever I hear the word "socialism" mentioned, it's almost always a straw man from the right. I have never actually heard any liberal express a desire for a model like the USSR, PDRK, etc.
Yep, and as I'm sure you're aware of, a couple of people here can't hardly post without using stereotypes and/or false equivalencies.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Economics is not history and history is not economics. Now you might find a course on the history of economics. The economics courses I took in college had nothing to do with history and history had nothing to do with economics, other than mentioning books like The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith or the writings of Karl Marx or Friedrich Engles. I am sure others were mentioned in the history classes, but nothing in-depth of their philosophies.
I did take a couple of courses in my undergrad and grad years that blended the two together, with one being an Economics 101 course and the other being a political philosophy course.

However, as you say above, most of my economic (macro) and political science courses fit mainly into just one or the other. However, in my physical anthropology courses, both were often covered together as they are considered two of the "five basic institutions" all societies have had.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Seems that education in our institutes of higher learning is either lacking or the students do not pay attention.
I really don't like to pick on the darling of the new left or the media ( :)) but it seems that their poster child, Ocasio-Cortez needs to go back to do a little research before making a fool of herself (of course her admires do not have a clue she is wrong). She is reported to have graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)

Let's see I learned:

Algebra, trigonometry, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, discrete mathematics, probability theory, mixed effects models, nonparametric statistics, time series analysis, Bayesian inferences, experimental design, data analysis, statistical computing, sampling methods, (and of course all the prerequisites) . .

Also I studied:

Poetry, fiction writing, formal writing, American literature, British literature, American History . . .

On an intro level:

Physics, psychology, sociology, economics, American politics, structure and function of language, microbiology, public communication, some history of science, philosophy of science...

I am sure there are some things I am forgetting.

Why? What did you learn in your "institutes of higher learning"?
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Seems that education in our institutes of higher learning is either lacking or the students do not pay attention.
I really don't like to pick on the darling of the new left or the media ( :)) but it seems that their poster child, Ocasio-Cortez needs to go back to do a little research before making a fool of herself (of course her admires do not have a clue she is wrong). She is reported to have graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011 with a bachelor's degree in international relations and economics. Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
She is also a avowed democratic socialist. Now I just wonder if our high schools and institutes of higher learning even teach world history, or even current history anymore. If they did it would seem that they would mention the failure of past socialist governments like the USSR and the current socialist government of Venezuela.
Oh well I guess they only learn what the supposed professors want to teach(?)
Sounds like that article missed her point and then you did too.

She wasn't saying, as the article tries to insinuate, that unemployment is low because someone with two jobs somehow counts double; her point was that the unemployment stats don't reflect the fact that a higher proportion of jobs are low-paying, precarious jobs where only one job isn't enough to make ends meet.

She's saying that the quality of employment is deteriorating and that this isn't reflected in a contextless unemployment rate.

Now a question for you: why are you so keen to portray Ocasio-Cortez in the worst possible light?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Question: Is real economics even taught?
Maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me if one wants a degree in economics they should also have a real understanding of history. Probably wrong again.
I think a better question is whether whatever school you went to teaches its students how to read critically. You've been duped.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
And as for her "everybody is working two jobs" comment:

- I think it's clear that it was meant as hyperbole. No reasonable person believes - or believes that Ocasio Cortez believes - that literally every single person works two jobs. It's rhetoric, people. Figure it out.

- As it happens, even Forbes thinks that the official stats on people working multiple jobs significantly under-represent the actual numbers.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Now one would think she would know that the unemployment rate is not predicated on the number of jobs a person holds. However in her interview with PBS said the unemployment figures are low because everyone has two jobs.
Source
This got me wondering about something....
If Trump had said this, would it be added to the regularly
proffered list of his "lies"? It's certainly non-factual.
But with O'Casio, will the same falsehood counters treat
this as a lie, or the charitable imprecise speech or error?

I'd say it's imprecise speech, as I do with some of Trump's
claims. But there's a lot of subjectivity in this.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
In my experience, Universities have the relationship between a piece of paper and a good job sewn up, and very dishonestly so. I was auditing some classes for free because of my age, but the book was $168 and was written by the prof. This needs to be corrected because some/many of the classes are pure trash. Perhaps the classes should be free and the book's price greatly reduced?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Now a question for you: why are you so keen to portray Ocasio-Cortez in the worst possible light?
Because she's a left-wing ultra-liberal progressive socialist.
She's probably an atheist hiding out as a Catholic.
But mainly cause she's a woman taking away man's jobs.



When's the last time a freshman member of Congress got so popular so quickly. I don't know much about her, but that Trump and Fox keep talking (lying) about her is great...

'Fox & Friends' Host Falsely Claims Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Will Tax 70 Percent Of Paychecks | HuffPost
On “Fox & Friends” on Monday, Earhardt asked Goodwin about why he thinks Ocasio-Cortez has so much support within the Democratic party.

“When you hear they’re going to tax 70 percent of your paycheck, if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets her way, how do they have so much support?” she asked Goodwin.

Goodwin responded by saying that “young people today are not being educated properly in schools” and “don’t know the history of our country.”

“They don’t know the history of other countries. They don’t understand economics,” he said.​
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In my experience, Universities have the relationship between a piece of paper and a good job sewn up, and very dishonestly so. I was auditing some classes for free because of my age, but the book was $168 and was written by the prof. This needs to be corrected because some/many of the classes are pure trash. Perhaps the classes should be free and the book's price greatly reduced?
How would teachers & resources be paid for if they're free.
One thing I found useful....
Before taking a spendy class, ensure that it'll be useful.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
This got me wondering about something....
If Trump had said this, would it be added to the regularly
proffered list of his "lies"?
Nah. We've become used to his lies. It's so minor compared to his usual lies that it would have hardly been noticed.

"Mexico's gonna pay for the wall" - that was a good one. Another good one "My friend Kim is gonna dismantle all his nukes". And two more of my favorites "I didn't know Mike Flynn talked to the Russians" & "I didn't know anything about the payments".
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Let's see I learned:

Algebra, trigonometry, multivariable calculus, linear algebra, discrete mathematics, probability theory, mixed effects models, nonparametric statistics, time series analysis, Bayesian inferences, experimental design, data analysis, statistical computing, sampling methods, (and of course all the prerequisites) . .

Also I studied:

Poetry, fiction writing, formal writing, American literature, British literature, American History . . .

On an intro level:

Physics, psychology, sociology, economics, American politics, structure and function of language, microbiology, public communication, some history of science, philosophy of science...

I am sure there are some things I am forgetting.

Why? What did you learn in your "institutes of higher learning"?
Have you put that education to use?

If you consider Life as an "institute of higher learning" then quite a bit.
I've known a quite a few that majored in courses but they couldn't pour **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
Now not saying all are, just a few that I have met.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Have you put that education to use?

If you consider Life as an "institute of higher learning" then quite a bit.
I've known a quite a few that majored in courses but they couldn't pour **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
Now not saying all are, just a few that I have met.

You tell me if I put it to use, I just made this post a few mins ago:

School Bullying Tied To Trump Supporters

To your other comments: Certainly life teaches you things far beyond the scope of any school, but just as you claim that some don't learn from school, some also don't learn from life. I have found that simply because someone has "experience" that does not always mean they learned from that experience. Whether we are talking bout a student in life or a student in school, what you get out of it will depend on what you put into it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Have you put that education to use?

If you consider Life as an "institute of higher learning" then quite a bit.
I've known a quite a few that majored in courses but they couldn't pour **** out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
Now not saying all are, just a few that I have met.
I might have trouble pouring it, but
I did learn to tell it apart from....
Shinola-shoe-polish.jpg

The secret is in the smell, not the taste.
 
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