Do You Agree?

[stvdv]

As I look at things, there is so much violent thrill on tv. Why do you think that is? Do you think people love violence? Are thrilled by it?

Your concern is valid

@YoursTrue
Sathya Sai Baba was very clear on the impact of television on "untrained minds". If you are interested I can share His words on it. And The Dalai Lama made it clear too. Both of them are experts in "Science of mind", by actual practice, not just by writing about it

 

[stvdv]

You think American my media is violent, holy damn it cannot compare to Japanese media.

True in Japan even more violence on the media, media told me too. But it's important to also give this fact:
Japanese programs emphasize the suffering of the victims much more than any of the other countries

For me it's clear why there is so much killing in the world and also quite a bit of suicide. It's a sad fact. And I hope it gets better soon, but I don't hold my breath

 

[stvdv]

As I look at things, there is so much violent thrill on tv.

That's a fact

Why do you think that is?

1) Make money
2) Control people

Do you think people love violence?

Ironically "people lack Love"
That is the 1 core problem

Are thrilled by it?

Lacking Love, weird (unnatural) things happen

 

[nPeace]

True in Japan even more violence on the media, media told me too. But it's important to also give this fact:
Japanese programs emphasize the suffering of the victims much more than any of the other countries

For me it's clear why there is so much killing in the world and also quite a bit of suicide. It's a sad fact. And I hope it gets better soon, but I don't hold my breath

No. Don't hold your breath @stvdv.

Going from bad to worst, is what everyone is seeing.
True, many are hoping for the reverse, but what is that hope based on? Is it anything solid? No. It's just a wish, or wishful thinking.

Gun violence is on the increase.
Now, in the US, for just $150.00, criminals can turn their handguns into a sub-machine gun.
No need to watch the whole video. Just a few minutes from 48:00.
Police have to think fast, while considering their safety, as well as that of civilians

I'm interested in hearing why there is so much killing in the world and also quite a bit of suicide. Would you mind posting it in the thread "What do you Expect...?", and taking part in the survey... if you don't mind.

 

[stvdv]

Going from bad to worst, is what everyone is seeing.
True, many are hoping for the reverse, but what is that hope based on? Is it anything solid? No. It's just a wish, or wishful thinking.

The underlying problem won't be solved sadly

Gun violence is on the increase.
Now, in the US, for just $150.00, criminals can turn their handguns into a sub-machine gun.
No need to watch the whole video. Just a few minutes from 48:00.
Police have to think fast, while considering their safety, as well as that of civilians

Yes. Just sick, the war industry. Free enterprise, making money is bad without Spirituality. Plenty of proof now.

But I don't worry. Pretty soon they will take care of the symptoms (people killing others), the underlying cause they won't deal with though (why people kill, and how to solve that)

 

[YoursTrue]

That's a fact


1) Make money
2) Control people


Ironically "people lack Love"
That is the 1 core problem


Lacking Love, weird (unnatural) things happen

Money does seem more important to many than lives. In many different ways, not just robbing people.
I bring to your attention that one of the first murders occurred early on in the Biblical line of history. That is Cain killing his brother. But then it seems clear to me that Adam virtually killed himself when he ate the fruit Eve gave him. And the Bible, interestingly enough, named Satan as the original manslayer. Because he knew what he was doing when he prompted Eve to disobey the Almighty God.

 

[stvdv]

Money does seem more important to many than lives. In many different ways, not just robbing people.
I bring to your attention that one of the first murders occurred early on in the Biblical line of history. That is Cain killing his brother. But then it seems clear to me that Adam virtually killed himself when he ate the fruit Eve gave him. And the Bible, interestingly enough, named Satan as the original manslayer. Because he knew what he was doing when he prompted Eve to disobey the Almighty God.

Thank you, interesting and a good reminder to not do something I know is not good for me like "eating too much"

The story of Cain and Abel I never understood. Cain grows vegetables etc, so he lives a vegan lifestyle as God demanded (created, meant it) as God declared in Genesis, and Cain is doing a noble job, farming.

How could he kill his brother, vegan lifestyle makes you non-violent? Unless there was some hate, greed and envy in his heart, but how could that have happened. Do you know about this?

 

[YoursTrue]

Your concern is is valid

@YoursTrue
Sathya Sai Baba was very clear on the impact of television on "untrained minds". If you are interested I can share His words on it. And The Dalai Lama made it clear too. Both of them are experts in "Science of mind", by actual practice, not just by writing about it

My friend works with autistic children. These can be violent without concern for anyone around them. I believe if they were given a program at home and elsewhere of peaceful behavior, their actions would be different. You can give me the links, however, the discussion calls to mind what happened at the very beginning of the biblical account of human history. God gave Adam a choice. Listen to Him, or die. The things God gave Adam to do were very pleasant. Plus He gave him a wife who was not only beautiful but to which Adam declared as exceptional. Genesis 2 says,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for out of man she was taken.”
There's a lot there, so I'll leave it there for now.

 

[YoursTrue]

Thank you, interesting and a good reminder to not do something I know is not good for me like "eating too much"

(Me, too. Thanks for reminder and putting it in a spiritual perspective.)

The story of Cain and Abel I never understood. Cain grows vegetables etc, so he lives a vegan lifestyle as God demanded (created, meant it) as God declared in Genesis, and Cain is doing a noble job, farming.

How could he kill his brother, vegan lifestyle makes you non-violent? Unless there was some hate, greed and envy in his heart, but how could that have happened. Do you know about this?

Yes, thinking about this too. (Actually, the authorization to eat animals was not given until later, so at that time it was not an issue of diet in particular.)
Cain and Abel must have known the declaration given to their parents about them having been given the declaration of death. The account is brief, so doesn't go into too many details, but God warned Cain to be careful, but obviously Cain did not listen. He could have figured he was going to die anyway, and was angry that God approved of Abel's offering and not his own. The offering is another subject, but now that you bring it up, it's interesting, because Abel must have realized a life was more appropriate than offering vegetation to God. (It can get a bit detailed, I will do further research on this.)

 

[stvdv]

My friend works with autistic children. These can be violent without concern for anyone around them. I believe if they were given a program at home and elsewhere of peaceful behavior, their actions would be different

True. I know some who are labeled Autistic. They can easily be triggered, as if there is a volcano inside, unable to control. So, it seems there is lots of suppressed anger. And it's very difficult to get rid of suppressed anger. Peaceful environment helps to not explode. Surrounded by Love (unconditional Divine Love) is needed to heal. I think it's all God's Grace to heal anger inside

God gave Adam a choice. Listen to Him, or die. The things God gave Adam to do were very pleasant. Plus He gave him a wife who was not only beautiful but to which Adam declared as exceptional. Genesis 2 says,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for out of man she was taken.”
There's a lot there, so I'll leave it there for now.

So, I agree that it's paramount to follow God's instructions to heal this anger deep inside

 

[nPeace]

...How could he kill his brother, vegan lifestyle makes you non-violent? Unless there was some hate, greed and envy in his heart, but how could that have happened. Do you know about this?

Allow me to refer to @YoursTrue's post, before this one.
...the Bible, interestingly enough, named Satan as the original manslayer. Because he knew what he was doing when he prompted Eve to disobey the Almighty God.

The angel that became Satan the Devil was the first murderer. He set out to willfully incite the first human pair to "sign their death warrant". ...but how could he do this, unless there was some hate, greed and envy in his heart?

There "you hit the nail on the head". There was some hate, greed and envy in his heart.
Where did it come from?

Remember, what I said earlier...
Separation from God... leads to lack of love. When one draws away from God, their mind and heart begins developing opposite qualities.
It's like leaving the light, and retreating into darkness. The further away from the light, the darker it gets.

Rather than draw close to God, that angel started to receed into darkness, until he was engulfed in pride, jealousy, hate... evil - the opposite of righteousness. He had self love, not love that is of God.

What about Cain.
Adam pulled the plug - disconnected from God. Thus he produced offspring that were all disconnected from God - alienated.

Cain's mind and heart - like Satan's - receded further into darkness.
Rather than draw close to God, he allowed - jealousy, hate... to develop - leading to murder.

James 4:8; Galatians 5:19-24; Ephesians 4:17-19 James 1:13-15; 1 John 4:7-8

 

[Sheldon]

I bring to your attention that one of the first murders occurred early on in the Biblical line of history. That is Cain killing his brother. But then it seems clear to me that Adam virtually killed himself when he ate the fruit Eve gave him. And the Bible, interestingly enough, named Satan as the original manslayer. Because he knew what he was doing when he prompted Eve to disobey the Almighty God.

These are unevidenced myths though.

 

[stvdv]

@YoursTrue
Thank you for this feedback. Finally after 50 years I understand why God accepted Abel's offering but not Cain's

Yes, thinking about this too. (Actually, the authorization to eat animals was not given until later, so at that time it was not an issue of diet in particular.)

Good point, both were vegan, as they should be, assuming they were not naughty, so it was not about "diet"

Cain and Abel must have known the declaration given to their parents about them having been given the declaration of death

Unlikely. Even at age 10 I did not have issues with death, finding out about it

The account is brief, so doesn't go into too many details, but God warned Cain to be careful, but obviously Cain did not listen.

Obviously it's not smart to "not listen to God", but as you said, too few details to make sense in this context

He could have figured he was going to die anyway, and was angry that God approved of Abel's offering and not his own.

Death is not the issue. Anger about God (dis) approving their offering is clear

The offering is another subject, but now that you bring it up, it's interesting, because Abel must have realized a life was more appropriate than offering vegetation to God. (It can get a bit detailed, I will do further research on this.)

Eureka, finally I got it, why Cain's offering was inappropriate. Thank for this feedback. Now I can rest peacefully this was the only part in the Bible that bugged me for 5 decades

My Master says "Purity, Patience and Perseverence" are essential for the Spiritual aspirant. Very true. Took me 50 years

 

[stvdv]

Allow me to refer to @YoursTrue's post, before this one.
...the Bible, interestingly enough, named Satan as the original manslayer. Because he knew what he was doing when he prompted Eve to disobey the Almighty God.

Interesting indeed, you bring in "good" old Satan? Beware, you might open a can of worms you don't like. I mean, he is Satan after all AND then I can't withhold the truth

@YoursTrue and @stvdv agreed that going against God is Satanic, as you also imply here, and for sure not wise to do this. So in a way the biggest Religion is Satan's Religion, as all pay tribute to (worship) Satan (go against God) on a daily basis...maybe except a few rare Saints

For me, the most intriguing part of Spirituality is to find my own demons (flaws) AND kill them (don't do it again), but some are still on my ToDo list, meaning I still worship Satan (Go against God) in a way... right?

So, you stumbled on my favorite subject. If you are interested (probably not), I can share more. I don't share this normally, because people are not honest when it comes to this, and don't like to admit their flaws, and rather come up with lame excuses...understandable from psychology POV, but lame nevertheless

 

[stvdv]

What about Cain.
Adam pulled the plug - disconnected from God. Thus he produced offspring that were all disconnected from God - alienated.

Thanks, interesting...fuels introspection
I am very practical and love simplicity

This gave me another great Eureka

You provided kind of Biblical proof that abortion in case of rape is the only Dharmic solution

Parents have sex and no pure mind, hence a child is born from lust, hence impure mind, hence alienated from God. We should not want (approve) this vicious cycle to continue if Peace and Love is our goal

hence

One big reason+proof that abortion SHOULD be allowed (encouraged even) in case of RAPE, right?
(great, and no coincidence, that God created it in a way, that it takes 4 month and 9 days before life force enters the foetus, plenty of time to come to a Dharmic decision for most)

 

[stvdv]

What about Cain.
Adam pulled the plug - disconnected from God. Thus he produced offspring that were all disconnected from God - alienated.

Cain's mind and heart - like Satan's - receded further into darkness.
Rather than draw close to God, he allowed - jealousy, hate... to develop - leading to murder.

True. Jealousy is a source of a lot of trouble. Most of all, it alienates you from God.

All 6 vices are troublemakers of course, but jealousy fuels hate and anger, already inside, even more

 

[YoursTrue]

Interesting indeed, you bring in "good" old Satan? Beware, you might open a can of worms you don't like. I mean, he is Satan after all AND then I can't withhold the truth

@YoursTrue and @stvdv agreed that going against God is Satanic, as you also imply here, and for sure not wise to do this. So in a way the biggest Religion is Satan's Religion, as all pay tribute to (worship) Satan (go against God) on a daily basis...maybe except a few rare Saints

For me, the most intriguing part of Spirituality is to find my own demons (flaws) AND kill them (don't do it again), but some are still on my ToDo list, meaning I still worship Satan (Go against God) in a way... right?

So, you stumbled on my favorite subject. If you are interested (probably not), I can share more. I don't share this normally, because people are not honest when it comes to this, and don't like to admit their flaws, and rather come up with lame excuses...understandable from psychology POV, but lame nevertheless

Not to change the subject but in a way you are right about the biggest religion being from Satan. The book of Revelation, not easy to understand, helps to explain this. That is another reason why God gets involved. Take care, pleasure speaking with you.

 

[YoursTrue]

@stvdv speaking of rape, under the Law of Moses, if a man raped a woman he was liable to be put to death. Consider there were no jails in those days. There are other aspects which perhaps we can go over later...

 

[stvdv]

@stvdv speaking of rape, under the Law of Moses, if a man raped a woman he was liable to be put to death

God is fair

Raping someone is like killing someone, sometimes even worse (unless one is fully enlightened of course)

 

[1213]

That has been demonstrated not to be true in multiple other countries, and the US has a massively higher rate of gun crime and deaths than other developed countries that have such gun laws. They also have the highest number of privately owned guns per capita in the world now. This is called evidence, what you posted is just a subjective unevidenced claim.

But there is no evidence the reason is the guns. More likely the reason is that the people don't know that murder is wrong.

And I believe many of these mass shootings are arranged by government so that they can have an excuse to take guns from the people so that they would have it easier to oppress them. For example this Uvalde shooting, I believe it was arranged for political reasons, because the police acted as they would wanted to have the people dead.