Do You Agree?

[stvdv]

Still not following the reasoning.
Some people rape out of wrong influences, and are sorry after.

Harm is done already

Some perverted God haters, of all vile manner of animalistic, demonic thinking have children out of wedlock - not rape... and are glad about disobeying God

Not pure is the key

Why is the perverted God hater's child more pure than a child born to the desperate youth?

Twisting what I said,
I never made this claim

 

[stvdv]

First, I am glad to see you understood that.

Was not that hard...simple English

Some Atheists tend to read their thought into what is written, and get something totally different from what is written.

I am quite open minded when reading

Would Jesus have approve this specific Law?
Yes. He did.

Good, I did expect that

Jesus himself said, ". . .the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” (John 8:26)

That's what I try to do also

I speak the things I have seen while with my Father.” (John 8:38)

#MeToo

(John 12:49, 50) 49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.”

I have been so fortunate to have spend 10 years of my life with the Father

Jesus's words . . .“Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Matthew 22:21)

Hence Cain's offering was not pleasing God

They were... and still are, under the rule of the governments of the nations. Read Romans 13:1-10
Thus, God's people leave justice in the hands of the ones who are allowed to "express wrath against the one practicing what is bad".

Sadly our governments are not Dharmic

Then, true justice will be rendered.
Since all the wicked will be removed though, there will be no rapists (Psalms 37:9-11). Selfishness, jealousy and hatred, will be all gone, because mankind will have reached perfection (Revelation 21:3-4) - complete with God... fully connected.

That's the key, Heaven can be there, now

 

[stvdv]

". . .the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” (John 8:29) "I

Good to see that Jesus repeated what the Indian Scriptures have declared
"Dharma protects who protect Dharma"

 

[stvdv]

Especially is there a judgment for people and religions that claim to be Christian but allow fornication as if it's just another way of life.

God told me to not live that lifestyle. That was 1 of the easier things He told me, and it saved me lots of headaches

 

[nPeace]

Twisting what I said,
I never made this claim

Not twisting.
Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Just trying to find out why you said...
You provided kind of Biblical proof that abortion in case of rape is the only Dharmic solution

Parents have sex and no pure mind, hence a child is born from lust, hence impure mind, hence alienated from God. We should not want (approve) this vicious cycle to continue if Peace and Love is our goal

hence

One big reason+proof that abortion SHOULD be allowed (encouraged even) in case of RAPE, right?

So, were you saying that, not only rapists' children SHOULD be allowed (encouraged even) to be aborted, but perverted God hater's children as well?

I'm trying to understand clearly.

 

[stvdv]

I'm trying to understand clearly

So, were you saying that, not only rapists' children SHOULD be allowed (encouraged even) to be aborted, but perverted God hater's children as well?

No, I only spoke about rapists,

Not implying to superimpose it on totally and essentially different situations

Rapists: sex is imposed, not agreed on
God hater: sex is not imposed

And I added that "life force" enters after 4 month and 9 days, hence there is no killing

No harm done to "unborn foetus"

 

[stvdv]

You provided kind of Biblical proof that abortion in case of rape is the only Dharmic solution

Okay, I skipped like 10 steps, I thought you understood within the context of my exchange with @YoursTrue to which you replied

In short:
(oh my, I really have to dig deep)
(Just a few pointers)
1) Follow Satan = Against God
2) Against God = Against Dharma
3) Dharma protects who protect Dharma
4) Rape = Demonic trouble invited
5) Against God = No good will happen
6) Follow Satan = Devil is born
7) Rape = Demonic act
8) Child = will be "Demonic impacted"
9) Better avoid this to continue
10) Avoid better than regret later

Parents have sex and no pure mind, hence a child is born from lust, hence impure mind, hence alienated from God. We should not want (approve) this vicious cycle to continue if Peace and Love is our goal

If not rape then this happens. Too bad, but what to do, that's how it is

Rape is different. Imposed sex, hence God provided the option to abort even giving 4 month and 9 days before "life force" enters. God's creation is perfect. Giving us the chance to undo at least some damage done by rape

Anyway, it's the woman her choice not yours (or mine) to impose on her. For Gid sake, she has been raped. God is a compassionate God. I am 100% sure He will not be against abortion in rape cases.

He can kill me now if He is against it

 

[stvdv]

Parents have sex and no pure mind, hence a child is born from lust, hence impure mind, hence alienated from God. We should not want (approve) this vicious cycle to continue if Peace and Love is our goal

Focus on purity of mind, and its impact on the unborn child. That's a fact. Reasoning from thereon is easy and obvious

 

[Sheldon]

Some perverted God haters, of all vile manner of animalistic, demonic thinking have children out of wedlock - not rape... and are glad about disobeying God.

I'm dubious, it's far more likely they don't believe in any deity, but the extremely fragile egos of some theists makes them unable to avoid resorting to religious bigotry. Having a child while not married, does not necessarily harm any one, and thankfully attitudes have changed, and bigotry is less prevalent.

Some people rape out of wrong influences, and are sorry after.

Too little too late, if someone commits a heinous and pernicious act like rape they belong in jail.

 

[Sheldon]

Parents have sex and no pure mind, hence a child is born from lust, hence impure mind, hence alienated from God.

What utter drivel. this is also morally repugnant, to condemn or imply there anything wrong with a baby when born, no matter what it's parents have done, is vile bigotry.

 

[1213]

...As has been explained multiple other western democracies have introduced strict laws on firearm ownership, and gun violence has been reduced, and is massively lower than in the US, where they have very lax laws.

Yes, governments stop producing these mass shootings, when they get all the guns.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, governments stop producing these mass shootings, when they get all the guns.

So you think all these mass shootings are orchestrated by the government? For real? Do you have evidence for this Alex Jones-esque claim?

 

[nPeace]

@stvdv I think you clarified.
However, the Bible doesn't condone abortion, on any of it's pages. I understand you believe that's the way it should be though.
Am I understanding you correctly? If not, I apologize.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
That has been demonstrated not to be true in multiple other countries, and the US has a massively higher rate of gun crime and deaths than other developed countries that have such gun laws. They also have the highest number of privately owned guns per capita in the world now. This is called evidence, what you posted is just a subjective unevidenced claim.

there is no evidence the reason is the guns. More likely the reason is that the people don't know that murder is wrong.

Yes, governments stop producing these mass shootings, when they get all the guns.

You seem to be contradicting your previous claim now, but the fact remains that the US has some of the most lax laws on firearm ownership and purchase in the developed world, and simultaneously the highest rate of gun ownership, and one of the highest rates of gun crimes, in the world.

There is no evidence the government is perpetrating gun crimes, that's just a wild unevidenced conspiracy theory people use, as an excuse to ignore the facts.

 

[stvdv]

@stvdv I think you clarified.
However, the Bible doesn't condone abortion, on any of it's pages. I understand you believe that's the way it should be though.
Am I understanding you correctly? If not, I apologize.

Yes, that's correct, though I think it should be done before 4 month 9 days, because that's when "vibration" enters, as Sai Baba declared and explained

I never heard Sai Baba speak on abortion though. I will check it, now I am curious. But my gut feeling tells me that rape is an exception

But of course it's best to avoid abortion. Sai Baba advises us to not walk outside after 20:00, because that's the time of demonic people (rapists etc) walking the streets. Twice I walked outside around 20:30 and men came out of the blue threatening (to kill me), I was scared but did not show, and walked away. I was lucky

 

[stvdv]

However, the Bible doesn't condone abortion, on any of it's pages

That makes sense to me, that the Bible does not mention it

Does not imply that God would judge it though, when it is done now

What is your personal feeling about rape and abortion IF you leave the Bible out?

Assume your wife gets raped, gets pregnant (you know...if God wants everything is possible)?

 

[stvdv]

Am I understanding you correctly?

Well, my main points would be:
1) God knows what God thinks on abortion
2) Only God knows, humans just guess
Hence:
3) We should not impose on others
4) Esp. not using God's word
5) We are free to be strict on ourselves

 

[Bird123]

I'll bring one thing to your attention. The law of Moses is not like the U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court. OK, I said one thing -- but this is important, too -- there were no jails in the days of Israel from Moses to the Roman invasion.

Fear is reasonable when someone believes he will be hurt. Also, death is the last obstacle that the Bible says will be removed. The big thing is death. I was born on this earth. I am interested in this earth. I would like to keep living, but I know death is ahead of me all the time.

One must always remember life is about Living. Death is no more than a change. WE define ourselves by what we choose.

A coward dies many times before their death. A Hero only dies once.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[stvdv]

Am I understanding you correctly?

About abortion...below a real life example

I found a story about Sai devotees. Girl got pregnant. Scan (ca. 8 weeks) shows no pulse, hence doctor advices abortion, otherwise she might die too

1) Do you say the doctor gave wrong advice?
2) Would you leave it to God? To do a miracle or not?
3) Is it your place to tell the girl what to do?
4) Do you think imposing "no abortion" is dharmic?
5) Do you think imposing fear/guilt feeling is dharmic?

Just because it's not mentioned in the Bible is not a valid reason to tell a raped girl she shouldn't abort the baby, and must accept it

My opinion:
a) Not my place to decide for her
b) I choose for myself only, not for others

 

[stvdv]

What utter drivel. this is also morally repugnant, to condemn or imply there anything wrong with a baby when born, no matter what it's parents have done, is vile bigotry.

Don't put this on @nPeace, that's incorrect