jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Dinosaurs died out more than 60 million years ago long before anything we would call human evolved.
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Do You Believe In Dragons?
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Dinosaurs died out more than 60 million years ago long before anything we would call human evolved.
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Assuming you are not joking (which I have a strong suspicion that you are
) that viewpoint is at the very least consistent.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
Actually you are quite wrong about that, in ancient Greek, Celtic, Roman, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Japanese and North American traditions and religious symbology the serpent is a benign force...of healing and knowledge.
Rod of Asclepius
Yes christianty demonises the Serpent (and the Dragon)...but thats a relatively recent phenomen.
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Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
Thats the use of dilute poisons and toxins to stimulate the immune system isnt it?...which seems perfectly reasonable to my limited non medical mind.
Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
I believe that some species of big dinosaur and/or very large reptile survived in some regions up until the start of human prehistory creating the myth of Dragons.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Assuming you are not joking (which I have a strong suspicion that you are
I hope that my intellectual honesty has satisfied your definitions of my faith.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Yeah, I read the wiki article.
While I believe in it whole-heartedly, I don't think that I would like to practice it.
idea
Question Everything
Yes, I believe in dragons.
We have a dragon at our zoo:
Most legends are based on truth.
idea
Question Everything
Actually you are quite wrong about that, in ancient Greek, Celtic, Roman, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Japanese and North American traditions and religious symbology the serpent is a benign force...of healing and knowledge.
Rod of Asclepius
Yes christianty demonises the Serpent (and the Dragon)...but thats a relatively recent phenomen.
There are a few good snakes in the Bible too:
(Old Testament | Exodus 7:9)
Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.
(Old Testament | Numbers 21:8)
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
there is a lot of interesting things surrounding snakes on poles, or snakes in trees
It could also be associated with the "modern's" 'misunderstanding' of symbolism and preference for literalism.
I believe that their existence is not outside the realm of possibility, but I don't have a belief in them that's strong enough to color my everyday existence. However, since I believe in a deity that could bring a dragon into existence with the snap of the fingers if desired, I have more reason to believe in dragons than not to.
I don't remember where I read this, but one theory is that dinosaurs were a possible source from which the idea of dragons come. Dragons come with more features, though, like the whole fire-breathing option, lol!
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Dezzie
Well-Known Member
Supposedly. IMO those are just numbers.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Dezzie
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Primordial Annihilator
Well-Known Member
That is not necessarily true.
They said that about the coelacanthe once as well
Komodo dragons for example...they are truly archaic in many respects and only survive on their islands because there are few if any mammilian predators to compete with or be eaten by...isolation can preserve all kinds of creatures...and until man came blundering along killing anything that moved and altering the balance of ecology...who know what survived until when exactly...extinction was gradual over millions of years not abrupt and sudden as some seem to imagine.
Maybe a few relics survived...like the Coleacanthe...and we have nothing left but myths...like the Loch Ness monster and flying Dragons...
The extinction of the dinosaurs is in some respects 'false' anyway...as all birds are effectively (and highly succesfull) modern dinosaurs or a lineage of flying dinosaur.
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Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
While I respect and applaud the OP's author for 'thinking outside the box', so to speak, in trying to find a poignant comparison to God that employs a particular 'myth' or 'legend' simulataneously existing in numerous cultures, many of which have apparently had no substantive contact with one another, thereby seeming to eliminate some sort of cultural-mythological domino effect in which one group of people conceived the idea of 'dragons' and passed them on to others, I still find one irreconcilable fault with the analogy/question.
Some 'theists' believe that our existence, the very existence of the universe itself, is evidence of God. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying I agree with this notion. But I could certainly see how it would be possible for some theists to be dismissive of the OP's question because Dragons, even if they do exist or ever did, have left nothing that can be referred to as 'evidence' of that existence.
Some theists claim the very fact that a material universe exists, one for which there is NO verifiably known origin, at least none we have yet found, that alone is indication/evidence of God or a god or . . . something. Hell, I don't know what to call it; I'm still on the fence about all this stuff.
Personally, I see an infinite universe as a possibility. But there seems to be, whether logically sound or not, a certain inclination, at least among some people, to believe it more likely that the universe had a 'source' rather than to believe that it simply always existed.
Some 'theists' believe that our existence, the very existence of the universe itself, is evidence of God. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not saying I agree with this notion. But I could certainly see how it would be possible for some theists to be dismissive of the OP's question because Dragons, even if they do exist or ever did, have left nothing that can be referred to as 'evidence' of that existence.
Some theists claim the very fact that a material universe exists, one for which there is NO verifiably known origin, at least none we have yet found, that alone is indication/evidence of God or a god or . . . something. Hell, I don't know what to call it; I'm still on the fence about all this stuff.
Personally, I see an infinite universe as a possibility. But there seems to be, whether logically sound or not, a certain inclination, at least among some people, to believe it more likely that the universe had a 'source' rather than to believe that it simply always existed.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
This poignant comparison to God was so devestating that I had to surrender, but somehow you were able to protest.... and for this I applaud you.:clap
Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Oh, but I should also mention that I love the question. A buddy of mine had an idea for a novel based on this cross-cultural phenomenon of dragons. His speculation, at least for purposes of creating his fiction, was that maybe dragons did exist once, before any records or verifiable evidence was recorded. And furthermore, perhaps they simply live far longer than humans, like for millions of years. And perhaps they hibernate for long periods of time, longer than even our civilizations are capable of existing. And then one day, perhaps many will storm our planet once their most recent hibernation is completed and they awake with a voracious hunger.
He was crushed when "Reign of Fire" hit the movie theatres. So it goes.
He was crushed when "Reign of Fire" hit the movie theatres. So it goes.
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Actually, it's your science-knowledgeable opinion.
Speaking as a former dinosaur super-fanatic, I can tell you that dinosaurs and humans NEVER co-existed. Birds are the descendants of the dinosaur survivors of the K-T event.