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Do You Believe In Dragons?

fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
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Midnight Pete said:
I'm a little confused. When did human beings officially start exhuming dino bones? :confused:
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Midnight Pete said:
So how could the ancients have known about them?
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You asked the wrong question. The relevant question is not when did they officially start, but when did they unofficially start digging up dinosaur bones. Yes, they officially started in the early 1800’s, but that does not mean humans had not seen signs of these bones before that. It is possible that humans had seen dinosaur fossils thousands of years before palaeontology developed as a science.

This is admittedly speculation, but it is not unreasonable speculation. Remember that when palaeontologists first “discovered” dinosaur fossils in North America they did so only because the natives already knew where they were and told the scientists where to look.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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Riverwolf said:
Actually, it's your science-knowledgeable opinion.

Speaking as a former dinosaur super-fanatic, I can tell you that dinosaurs and humans NEVER co-existed. Birds are the descendants of the dinosaur survivors of the K-T event.
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Of that you cannot be 100% certain for the reasons I have already stated. ;)

Birds ARE dinosaurs...you don't seem to appreciate that there is no real distinction...biologically speaking.
 
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Nerthus

Nerthus

Wanderlust
There are so many places on the earth man have yet been able to access, who's to say there aren't dragons for anything else like that.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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Nerthus said:
There are so many places on the earth man have yet been able to access, who's to say there aren't dragons for anything else like that.
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Indeed the Mountain Gorilla was once considered a mythical beast until the 19th century when 'we' europeans eventually 'discovered' them.

Perhaps no dragons or dragonlike creatures exist now but who knows what mega fauna have died out in the 100,000 years since the Great Leap forward of humanity.

A large reptile if not an actual dinosaur relic species is no chasm filled stretch of the imagination...nor a flying one for that matter.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Primordial Annihilator said:
Of that you cannot be 100% certain for the reasons I have already stated. ;)
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During the K-T extinction event, huge amounts of debris from the meteor strike was launched out of the atmosphere, where it fell back and burned red-hot during re-entry.

Because of the sheer volume of this material burning up, the atmospheric temperature increased until the surface of the planet was as hot as a pizza oven and stayed that way for at least several hours. Plants spontaneously combusted, and every creature that was on the surface was burned alive. Only those animals that could submerge under water or tunnel underground had any chance of survival, and even then, most of these animals died as well.

IMO, it's unreasonable to believe that any large dinosaur survived this event.

Now, 65 million years is long enough for a very small, tunnelling dinosaur to have evolved into something larger... but if this happened, where's the evidence? Where are the dinosaur fossils after the K-T boundary?
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
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9-10ths_Penguin said:
During the K-T extinction event, huge amounts of debris from the meteor strike was launched out of the atmosphere, where it fell back and burned red-hot during re-entry.

Because of the sheer volume of this material burning up, the atmospheric temperature increased until the surface of the planet was as hot as a pizza oven and stayed that way for at least several hours. Plants spontaneously combusted, and every creature that was on the surface was burned alive. Only those animals that could submerge under water or tunnel underground had any chance of survival, and even then, most of these animals died as well.
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Um, not according to wikipedia. "Omnivores, insectivores and carrion-eaters survived the extinction event..." The "pizza oven" was only over a portion of the surface.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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9-10ths_Penguin said:
During the K-T extinction event, huge amounts of debris from the meteor strike was launched out of the atmosphere, where it fell back and burned red-hot during re-entry.

Because of the sheer volume of this material burning up, the atmospheric temperature increased until the surface of the planet was as hot as a pizza oven and stayed that way for at least several hours. Plants spontaneously combusted, and every creature that was on the surface was burned alive. Only those animals that could submerge under water or tunnel underground had any chance of survival, and even then, most of these animals died as well.

IMO, it's unreasonable to believe that any large dinosaur survived this event.

Now, 65 million years is long enough for a very small, tunnelling dinosaur to have evolved into something larger... but if this happened, where's the evidence? Where are the dinosaur fossils after the K-T boundary?
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Please do not lecture me on the KT event I am quite conversant with the theory. :D

65 million years is long enough, plenty of time, for an isolated large dinosaur or reptile (species) to re populate or evolve into a larger species to say that you cant be 100% certain.

As for dinosaur fossil evidence I am sure you are acutely aware that the fossil record only shows perhaps 5-10% of the actual biodiversity of all life on the planet that has ever existed...due to the many environmental prerequisites of fossilization.

So particularly as far as fossils are concerned matey a lack of evidence for a thing is not proof of its non existence.
 
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Nerthus

Nerthus

Wanderlust
Primordial Annihilator said:
Indeed the Mountain Gorilla was once considered a mythical beast until the 19th century when 'we' europeans eventually 'discovered' them.

Perhaps no dragons or dragonlike creatures exist now but who knows what mega fauna have died out in the 100,000 years since the Great Leap forward of humanity.

A large reptile if not an actual dinosaur relic species is no chasm filled stretch of the imagination...nor a flying one for that matter.
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Yep, some things we are just never to discover. Who knows what is at the bottom of the oceans, if we can't reach it! Mermaids could exist after all!
 
Nerthus

Nerthus

Wanderlust
Primordial Annihilator said:
My only concern is for how long can a marine reptile like a plesiosaur live for...the tale of the Loch Ness monster is quite ancient isnt it?

Unless of course an entire family of them inhabits the lake?
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Well, obviously there is a family, there wouldn't just be one would there :rolleyes:

I can't tell you how many though, I promised them I'd keep it secret.
 
Primordial Annihilator

Primordial Annihilator

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Nerthus said:
Well, obviously there is a family, there wouldn't just be one would there :rolleyes:

I can't tell you how many though, I promised them I'd keep it secret.
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Oh don't worry if I even captured undeniable crystal clear images of Nessie or her relatives frolicking in the water on film, I would destroy the film, some things are better kept a secret and frankly I dont trust humans.
 
Nerthus

Nerthus

Wanderlust
Primordial Annihilator said:
Oh don't worry if I even captured undeniable crystal clear images of Nessie or her relatives frolicking in the water on film, I would destroy the film, some things are better kept a secret and frankly I dont trust humans.
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It would be like that film 'Splash' - they would take Nessie away and keep her in a tank. It's like with animals and trees etc - humans feel they can just take control and do what they like.
 
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