Do You Believe in Eternal Hell

[Rapha]

Not debating; I'd like to know your view.
What would the distinctions be between them?
Why would Tartarus not be equal to the Lake of Fire, and Hades to Sheol?

Distinctions are as follows:
1) Sheol (hell) has the mud pits filled with sinners and maggots that cause so much pain that the sinners cannot even neutralize the pain by self torturing their bodies.

2) Hades is desolation. The sky is black. The land is just dust. The Tree of Death is a smallish tree (15ft high) burnt black, no leaves. When sinners appear there they get about 51 seconds to survive whilst their flesh and bone literally wilts and disintegrates becoming nothing more than the dust at their feet.

3) The Lake of Fire only had sounds of the wind and fire because all sinners only consisted of bones. Even though their jaws were wide open, their screams could not be heard because they had no fleshy lungs.

4) Tartarus or the prison for the fallen angels is horrific. Its a place where the words fear, despair and misery take real form and literally crush a sinner's body into the razor sharp skin flake dust.

Tartarus is a specific unique location because not every mortal is a angel hybrid. They have their own final destination if they don't repent in time.

 

[Breathe]

Distinctions are as follows:[snip for space]

I see. Interesting beliefs; thank you for sharing.

 

[Levite]

Wouldn't a loving God give you the afterlife you need or desire?

Personally, I believe in gilgulei neshamot (reincarnation), eventually followed by entry into olam ha-ba (the World To Come).

I think that God not only wants us to balance out our misdeeds with positive actions, but wants us to do teshuvah (the process of repentance) by learning compassion, lovingkindness, mercy, and justice. This is accomplished in other lifetimes.

Once we have "balanced our scales," and also learned wisdom, compassion, and lovingkindness, we are then free to enter into olam ha-ba if we so desire. Thus there are consequences for our actions, and the opportunity to try and in some fashion make right for our wrongs, and moreover the opportunity to learn wisdom, while at the same time avoiding torturous afterlife punishment and ensuring that everyone can, sooner or later, earn a rewarding afterlife-- which I think are the actions of a loving God.

I think Hell is both vengeful and counterproductive: torture teaches nothing and, ultimately, accomplishes nothing.

 

[Philomath]

I don't believe in any kind of hell, other than the one we make for ourselves; metaphorically speaking that is.

 

[SkylarHunter]

The idea of hell comes from ancient civilizations and was later adopted by the catholic church. In the Bible the parts where Sheol and Gehenna were mentioned were replaced with the word hell. Sheol means grave, as in the place people are buried and Gehenna was a big fire outside of Jerusalem where people used to burn trash. None of them has anything to do with a place of eternal damnation.
There are still many good translations of the bible where they kept the correct words.
As a Christian I could never believe in hell, I find that such an idea goes completely against the core message of the bible.

 

[Sunstone]

Hell has proved to be a concept somewhat useful to the clergy in keeping people in line.

 

[Sunstone]

I believe there are people so evil, so devoid of any goodness, so morally corrupt, that, if they could, they would condemn other people to eternal torment. The concept of hell gives their sadistic little vengeful souls something to wank about.

 

[illykitty]

Personally, I believe in gilgulei neshamot (reincarnation), eventually followed by entry into olam ha-ba (the World To Come).

I think that God not only wants us to balance out our misdeeds with positive actions, but wants us to do teshuvah (the process of repentance) by learning compassion, lovingkindness, mercy, and justice. This is accomplished in other lifetimes.

Once we have "balanced our scales," and also learned wisdom, compassion, and lovingkindness, we are then free to enter into olam ha-ba if we so desire. Thus there are consequences for our actions, and the opportunity to try and in some fashion make right for our wrongs, and moreover the opportunity to learn wisdom, while at the same time avoiding torturous afterlife punishment and ensuring that everyone can, sooner or later, earn a rewarding afterlife-- which I think are the actions of a loving God.

I think Hell is both vengeful and counterproductive: torture teaches nothing and, ultimately, accomplishes nothing.

Interesting, I believe in the same thing.

Answer to the OP, no I don't. It doesn't work with my beliefs. Like Levite, I don't believe that Hell accomplishes anything.

 

[Farrukh]

i believe it exists for non-believers as God has informed us about that. fear of it keeps us away from wrong doings.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Distinctions are as follows:
1) Sheol (hell) has the mud pits filled with sinners and maggots that cause so much pain that the sinners cannot even neutralize the pain by self torturing their bodies.

2) Hades is desolation. The sky is black. The land is just dust. The Tree of Death is a smallish tree (15ft high) burnt black, no leaves. When sinners appear there they get about 51 seconds to survive whilst their flesh and bone literally wilts and disintegrates becoming nothing more than the dust at their feet.

3) The Lake of Fire only had sounds of the wind and fire because all sinners only consisted of bones. Even though their jaws were wide open, their screams could not be heard because they had no fleshy lungs.

4) Tartarus or the prison for the fallen angels is horrific. Its a place where the words fear, despair and misery take real form and literally crush a sinner's body into the razor sharp skin flake dust.

Tartarus is a specific unique location because not every mortal is a angel hybrid. They have their own final destination if they don't repent in time.

Wow, where did you get these ideas from?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Distinctions are as follows:
1) Sheol (hell) has the mud pits filled with sinners and maggots that cause so much pain that the sinners cannot even neutralize the pain by self torturing their bodies.

2) Hades is desolation. The sky is black. The land is just dust. The Tree of Death is a smallish tree (15ft high) burnt black, no leaves. When sinners appear there they get about 51 seconds to survive whilst their flesh and bone literally wilts and disintegrates becoming nothing more than the dust at their feet.

3) The Lake of Fire only had sounds of the wind and fire because all sinners only consisted of bones. Even though their jaws were wide open, their screams could not be heard because they had no fleshy lungs.

4) Tartarus or the prison for the fallen angels is horrific. Its a place where the words fear, despair and misery take real form and literally crush a sinner's body into the razor sharp skin flake dust.

Tartarus is a specific unique location because not every mortal is a angel hybrid. They have their own final destination if they don't repent in time.

Do you believe all non-Christians go to the hell you described above? And how do you reconcile teachings like "turn the other cheek" with such vile, sadistic, and disgusting (in my view) torture methods?

 

[Thief]

I believe there are people so evil, so devoid of any goodness, so morally corrupt, that, if they could, they would condemn other people to eternal torment. The concept of hell gives their sadistic little vengeful souls something to wank about.

Would that include the one third of heaven that fell from grace....
because of an argument....over us.
They might want us dead....right now.
That we take their positions would be cause for vengeance?

I post the story now and then.
One more time?

 

[Rapha]

Wow, where did you get these ideas from?

Dreams and a NDE vision.

 

[Rapha]

Do you believe all non-Christians go to the hell you described above? And how do you reconcile teachings like "turn the other cheek" with such vile, sadistic, and disgusting (in my view) torture methods?

Jesus said that the only way into Heaven is via faith in His name.

Every other (religious & non-religious) way will result in ending up in the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day.

i didn't make up the rules so getting angry with what i said isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to the fact that practically 7 billion sinners are going to hell.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Jesus said that the only way into Heaven is via faith in His name.

Every other (religious & non-religious) way will result in ending up in the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day.

Yeah, it's one reason I reject Jesus as any sort of legitimate prophet.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Jesus said that the only way into Heaven is via faith in His name.

Every other (religious & non-religious) way will result in ending up in the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day.

i didn't make up the rules so getting angry with what i said isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to the fact that practically 7 billion sinners are going to hell.

I'm not angry; I just think there's inherent tribalism and hatred in the beliefs you described, and I find it sad that such beliefs are still so common today.

It speaks volumes about the values promulgated by a belief when it teaches that torturing at least 7 billion people is somehow worthy of admiration or respect. If that's your idea of Jesus, then I suppose the sacrifice on the cross wasn't really of much worth for the "salvation" of humanity.

 

[Rapha]

I'm not angry; I just think there's inherent tribalism and hatred in the beliefs you described, and I find it sad that such beliefs are still so common today.

It speaks volumes about the values promulgated by a belief when it teaches that torturing at least 7 billion people is somehow worthy of admiration or respect. If that's your idea of Jesus, then I suppose the sacrifice on the cross wasn't really of much worth for the "salvation" of humanity.

Everyone is born a sinner. In other words their human DNA is tainted with angelic DNA from the days of the fallen watchers.

Once a sinner has faith in Jesus Christ, their DNA transforms and their name is written into the Book of Life, hence they are Born Again.

What gets me is that many people hate Jesus yet vote for satanists that are now going to make world war 3 happen thus proving that the Bible is true to all atheists. Surely many atheist politicians/voters would have dismantled all weapons by now.

Everyone who doesn't want Jesus will be tortured. Its their choice.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Everyone who doesn't want Jesus will be tortured. Its their choice.

Because you say so? Sorry, but I'm not the least bit worried about your opinion on Jesus and hell.

 

[steeltoes]

Everyone is born a sinner. In other words their human DNA is tainted with angelic DNA from the days of the fallen watchers.

Once a sinner has faith in Jesus Christ, their DNA transforms and their name is written into the Book of Life, hence they are Born Again.

What gets me is that many people hate Jesus yet vote for satanists that are now going to make world war 3 happen thus proving that the Bible is true to all atheists. Surely many atheist politicians/voters would have dismantled all weapons by now.

Everyone who doesn't want Jesus will be tortured. Its their choice.

Any excuse to torture people.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Any excuse to torture people.

So what's the difference between Jehovah and Sam Harris?